Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[Deleted member 15344]

Not sure I agree with this, Gomez or Tomori nowhere near the squad if they dont play for a big club with their number of appearances at club level (Tomori completely laughable selection imho btw)

Is Gomez really that good? Not even played 50 premier league games across 4 seasons and is far from a regular starter. If hes one of the best English centre backs (not potentially one of) then thats pretty damning on the rest of them!!!! along the lines of picking Foden in squads when he barely gets a kick in the prem league

btw agree he may well be better than Keane but thats a pretty low bar

Yes Ability wise Gomez is that good , showed it before he picked up the nasty inury last year , VVD got a lot of plaudits last season but until he was injured Gomez was superb and was a regular , and showed it when he played alongside Maguire for England as well. Needs to a sustained period without injury no doubt but when he does ( he is still only 22 ) he will IMO be the best CB England have

 

[Papas1982]

It’s not about being automatic playing just because you are at a big club - I would play Gomez over Keane even if he was at the bottom club , he is a better player , Gomez doesn’t get into the squad just because he is at Liverpool, he gets into the squad because he is one of the best english CB’s

I already conceded that gomez has the talent. That being said, if he was at a smaller club then your knowledgeof his skill would be less and so wouldnt praise him so highly imo. But by biggest issue with him is fitness. If he doesn't pay 39 games this season then he shouldnt play for England.

As to getting picked beciase he's at Liverpool. To suggest being at a big club doesn't help is naive.

Mount walked into the team after what was it. 2 pl appearances. Yet Maddison lives off scraps after a year of good pl appearances. Ward Prowse for us has how many under 21 caps and last season for the second half of season did far more than what Mount has done so far.

Tomori gets a call up after 2 games. Granted that could be to secure his nationality.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Being up front, Keane is dog sh!te and certainly not an international footballer.

Can any LPool fan explain why if Gomez is all that, why is he 3rd choice behind Matip and Lovren?

He’s only started 1 PL game this season so far and that was the first game wasn’t it?

Don’t think players should be risked at international level when they aren’t playing regular football.

I’d put Mings ahead of Keane without a shadow of a doubt this season.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Being up front, Keane is dog sh!te and certainly not an international footballer.

Can any LPool fan explain why if Gomez is all that, why is he 3rd choice behind Matip and Lovren?

He’s only started 1 PL game this season so far and that was the first game wasn’t it?

Don’t think players should be risked at international level when they aren’t playing regular football.

I’d put Mings ahead of Keane without a shadow of a doubt this season.

Prior to his Injury in December last year, he was superb. He was out for nearly 4months which didn't help. Matip was superb last season and this and has rightfully kept his place in the team.

Gomez for me has all the quality to be a top CB. He isnt 3rd choice behind Matip and Lovren, I'd say he's just behind Matip given Matips current form.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Prior to his Injury in December last year, he was superb. He was out for nearly 4months which didn't help. Matip was superb last season and this and has rightfully kept his place in the team.

Gomez for me has all the quality to be a top CB. He isnt 3rd choice behind Matip and Lovren, I'd say he's just behind Matip given Matips current form.

Gomez was on the bench last saturday and Lovren started.

Keane had a great end of season from Jan when he teamed up with Zouma, no Zouma and he’s dog sh!te.

I’m not doubting Gomez’s past form, but maybe Klopp and Southgate(to a point) are seeing something in training that isn’t quite right, maybe he isn’t the same player after his injury.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Gomez was on the bench last saturday and Lovren started.

Keane had a great end of season from Jan when he teamed up with Zouma, no Zouma and he’s dog sh!te.

I’m not doubting Gomez’s past form, but maybe Klopp and Southgate(to a point) are seeing something in training that isn’t quite right, maybe he isn’t the same player after his injury.

Gomez started the game before and Lovren was on the bench.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Gomez started the game before and Lovren was on the bench.

Slight mix up mate in that we were talking about PL games.
Was the game before the one were you conceded 3 goals, maybe that’s why he was dropped.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Slight mix up mate in that we were talking about PL games.
Was the game before the one were you conceded 3 goals, maybe that’s why he was dropped.

He was at fault for 1 goal, the other 2 he couldn't have done any better to prevent the other 2.

When was Lovrens last start in PL before last week?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Gomez started the game before and Lovren was on the bench.

Klopp must be a rubbish manager. How on earth can he put the world's best defender on the bench? 😃

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He was at fault for 1 goal, the other 2 he couldn't have done any better to prevent the other 2.

When was Lovrens last start in PL before last week?

Don’t know mate, hence my first question over Gomez.
Try not to be so sensitive.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Don’t know mate, hence my first question over Gomez.
Try not to be so sensitive.

Not being sensitive, just asking the question as I genuinely dont know but if I was to guess I'd say it wasnt in 2019.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not being sensitive, just asking the question as I genuinely dont know but if I was to guess I'd say it wasnt in 2019.

And you ask Blooooo

Conversation was about England CH’s not Croatians.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

And you ask Blooooo

Conversation was about England CH’s not Croatians.

You lot know more about us than your own team 😉

You brought Lovren into the convo ✊💦 😂

Just done a bit of research, Lovren started 11 games, Gomez 12 games and he was injured for half a season.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You lot know more about us than your own team 😉

You brought Lovren into the convo ✊💦 😂

Just done a bit of research, Lovren started 11 games, Gomez 12 games and he was injured for half a season.

And what I’ve learnt tonight is, Gomez has potential but maybe not back to his best yet............and is behind Lovren, currently, in the Club pecking order.

I thought you LPool fans would be over the moon seeing only one of your players on the pitch, nice to see yous starting to care and taking an interest in the National side.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Being up front, Keane is dog sh!te and certainly not an international footballer.

Can any LPool fan explain why if Gomez is all that, why is he 3rd choice behind Matip and Lovren?

He’s only started 1 PL game this season so far and that was the first game wasn’t it?

Don’t think players should be risked at international level when they aren’t playing regular football.

I’d put Mings ahead of Keane without a shadow of a doubt this season.

He was on a par for a good bit of last season along with VVD, before his injury. A section of the season were we hardly let any goals in. Matip then came in, played very well (even though we started to let more goals in.

Gomez still hasnt hit his former rythym yet (may never will), but if he does you have a great CB. A bit like Oxlade-Chamberlain who still hasnt hit is rythm after a bad injury. Who knows, but if he does get back to that form, I think he will displace Matip again.

I agree with papas that if you play for one of the bigger teams it gives you a much better chance of playing for England, but to play inferior players because they are only playing 30% of the games at club level is daft, if the lesser players are playing every week but are much poorer. Playing well at international level may make them first choice again at club level.

 

[Liverbirdie]

And what I’ve learnt tonight is, Gomez has potential but maybe not back to his best yet............and is behind Lovren, currently, in the Club pecking order.

I thought you LPool fans would be over the moon seeing only one of your players on the pitch, nice to see yous starting to care and taking an interest in the National side.

As has been proved for the last 30 years, the interest in club fans when their team are amongst the elite of the premiership is in inverse proportion to their interest in the England side.

 

[clubchamp98]

When you have a
GK who isn’t good enough , a LB and RB who have spent a year in poor form , one decent CB and one who is en thinking what Maddison has to do to get in the team?just about Prem level not International level then they are going to struggle

Should - Pope , TAA , Gomez , Maguire and Chillwel

Then in midfield- Henderson isn’t a great player to sit , he is a runner and link player , and Rice ? Is he actually any good or all hype - they are not great as a two

Need to get Maddison in there for creativity

And get rid of 4-2-3-1 -

4-3–3 , the formation the players are comfortable with

I have to admit I have been thinking what Maddison has to do to get in the team.?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He was on a par for a good bit of last season along with VVD, before his injury. A section of the season were we hardly let any goals in. Matip then came in, played very well (even though we started to let more goals in.

Gomez still hasnt hit his former rythym yet (may never will), but if he does you have a great CB. A bit like Oxlade-Chamberlain who still hasnt hit is rythm after a bad injury. Who knows, but if he does get back to that form, I think he will displace Matip again.

I agree with papas that if you play for one of the bigger teams it gives you a much better chance of playing for England, but to play inferior players because they are only playing 30% of the games at club level is daft, if the lesser players are playing every week but are much poorer. Playing well at international level may make them first choice again at club level.

I’d have no hesitation starting Gomez and TAA for England.
Southgate plays it very (too) safe for me and is too loyal to some.
What he sees in Keane I’m baffled.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I’d have no hesitation starting Gomez and TAA for England.
Southgate plays it very (too) safe for me and is too loyal to some.
What he sees in Keane I’m baffled.

I'd play his arl fella before I played him.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As has been proved for the last 30 years, the interest in club fans when their team are amongst the elite of the premiership is in inverse proportion to their interest in the England side.

I’m not sure it is with all Clubs tbh Pete.
Sometimes it’s born out of frustration of seeing top players perform week in, week out at Club level and are ignored by England.