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Fair play to Sterling. I have been vocal on here about his goalscoring return (something like 8 in 44 games) but he's on a great run and 15 in 52 (including friendlies) is a far better return and I hope he can continue in the same form. He's definitely found a new confidence in an England shirt and is far more clinical than he was. Whether Southgate has got something from him or its as a result of his form for City I am so pleased to see him playing so much better

Here, here but I think the praise lands at Peps feet
 

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Here, here but I think the praise lands at Peps feet
I think ultimately you are right and his PL form has been good but Southgate seems to have found a spark with him. Sterling always had the chances in internationals but never managed to convert too many but recently he's been far more clinical. If Kane keeps his goals coming to we've a front two that can score against any side
 

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Here, here but I think the praise lands at Peps feet
I think he has always had it, certainly did when he was at Liverpool it's just pep has fine tuned it. His goal was a typical, city goal. Remember when he got criticism for scoring goals that stevie wonder could score. As I said, stevie wonder could not get there. That aside I thought Kane and sterling linked up well. My worry is that rashford is not on the same wavelength. Sancho could well be.
 

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I think he has always had it, certainly did when he was at Liverpool it's just pep has fine tuned it. His goal was a typical, city goal. Remember when he got criticism for scoring goals that stevie wonder could score. As I said, stevie wonder could not get there. That aside I thought Kane and sterling linked up well. My worry is that rashford is not on the same wavelength. Sancho could well be.

Ironically Tash, it was me that made the Stevie Wonder quote, which he has certainly moved on.
 

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I think he has always had it, certainly did when he was at Liverpool it's just pep has fine tuned it. His goal was a typical, city goal. Remember when he got criticism for scoring goals that stevie wonder could score. As I said, stevie wonder could not get there. That aside I thought Kane and sterling linked up well. My worry is that rashford is not on the same wavelength. Sancho could well be.
I didn't think Rashford was overly poor but I definitely want to see more of Sancho and see if can connect up with Kane and Sterling. I think same as you, that he can, but unless he gets a run it won't happen. Wonder if he'll get a chance tomorrow
 

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Ironically Tash, it was me that made the Stevie Wonder quote, which he has certainly moved on.

Maybe I look at sterling through rose tinted glasses, but there have been times and I don't mean one or two that I have thought rammel. In the City set up, they play to a system where players can rotate in differant positions, sterling out wide, left or right, but as a winger scoring tap ins from 1 yd. it seemed for a long time sterling wasn't playing his game whilst at England. Thought Sterlings goal for England was excellent, not in the sense it hit his thigh, but the link up between Kane and Sterling, Kane passing from 8yds out. Unheard of, but for the benefit of England, excellent. Same for Sterling to Kane for his.
My grief with England is the midfield. It just seems static. Very static. At this group stage level. It will do, but at the finals, it needs to up a couple of levels.
 
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When we sold Sterling I said he'd be world class in 3/4 seasons and he's proving to be so. He needs to be more consistent in front of goal but the lad has a lot of quality and hes only going to get better.
 

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Northern Ireland were dogged in the first half but Germany have stepped up a gear especially now they've scored. No real surprise about the Scotland score

Two awful attempts from Conor Washington the difference in the first half. Oh what we would do for another David Healy in his hay day.
 

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What happened to it being a beautiful game https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49521158

Trouble is Homer in football it is all about small margins, 11 MM in Citys case. Re football was it behind the times?Don't know what the film was called. But it was about baseball. In essence it told the story of a major league club that hired a guy who looked at stats. He advised the club to hire players who were " past it". In essence they ended up winning the World Series. Now every club does it. This has been going off in football for years, it's just that the BBC is slow in picking up on this story.
 

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Trouble is Homer in football it is all about small margins, 11 MM in Citys case. Re football was it behind the times?Don't know what the film was called. But it was about baseball. In essence it told the story of a major league club that hired a guy who looked at stats. He advised the club to hire players who were " past it". In essence they ended up winning the World Series. Now every club does it. This has been going off in football for years, it's just that the BBC is slow in picking up on this story.

I totally get it. Look at the NFL as an example and the data they collect in camp and then the way they design play calls for games (Pathetic Shark can allude better). It had to move on and an example of how each club is now professional to the nth degree in every area. I'd suggest (not 100% certain) but this stats collection goes into the national league and probably a level or two below (if not in the same depth).

Clearly it has an impact on training methods, player performance and of course it can come down to millimetres but I also wonder how much information these footballers retain. You see the subs getting a raft of instructions on the sideline and going through charts before coming on (usually for player match ups at set pieces) but once into the game how much of the detail do they use or are they simply reacting to the game as it pans out
 

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It is refining and refining, taking coaching to another level. Like a boxer looking for an opening in an opponent. Look closely enough and eventually you find a weakness. Now they are looking for weaknesses not only in the opponents but in their own players so they can work on them and minimise them. Make the player aware of what they do that is good and what they do that is not and how they can erradicate it. How can players not improve via this?

I think some will benefit more than others. Instinctive players, Hazard, De Bruyne etc need to be left alone. Defenders, defensive midfielders etc can benefit in huge chunks.
 

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Trouble is Homer in football it is all about small margins, 11 MM in Citys case. Re football was it behind the times?Don't know what the film was called. But it was about baseball. In essence it told the story of a major league club that hired a guy who looked at stats. He advised the club to hire players who were " past it". In essence they ended up winning the World Series. Now every club does it. This has been going off in football for years, it's just that the BBC is slow in picking up on this story.
The film was “moneyball”, and from memory the coach was offered a huge cheque (by the Boston Red Sox) to be their coach for the next season after coming close to winning the league by choosing a team as you say on stats but he didn’t take it and stayed loyal to the Oakland A’s. At the time every other coach pilloried him
He never got his team as high again, and the Red Sox copied his philosophy and won the World Series a season or 2 later.
 

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Moneyball doesn't really translate to football anyway. Football can't be broken down into quantitative stats like baseball can. People just started using the word 'Moneyball' for detailed scouting because the film was popular. For example, in Moneyball (the film anyway) they look for players who 'get on base' because doing that directly translates into runs. But a lot of football stats don't directly equal goals so it doesn't work the same. e.g. Jorginho making the most passes but didn't assist a single goal last season.
 
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Quite amusing the latest FIFA rankings - how can a system have last years winners and finalists below some teams that have never reached a final , others that can’t get past a quarter final 🤦‍♂️
 
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