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[clubchamp98]

Rugby does it very well, with the ref stopping the clock when he feels there is an undue delay. The ball going out for lineouts doesn't stop the clock.

Yes something along these lines I think could help.

 

[Orikoru]

A 3pm match may end up finishing at 5.30-6pm though . I'm all for an off field timekeeper, I think that would work well, but I don't think 90 minutes of ball on the pitch would be practical. There is a balance that could reduce the time wasting without stretching the game out too far, I'm sure that is what you were meaning.

American football is probably the extreme of ball in play timekeeping, 60 minute games that last just over 3hrs (thank you Google)

I think you're right. I think 90 minutes being the time for a match allows for stoppages within that - it just perhaps doesn't allow enough. If you were to change to timing it only when the ball is in play, you would have to shorten the total amount of time to 35 or 40 minute halves.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Maybe an off field timekeeper would help.
He could make sure the ball is in play for 90mins and no need for extra time or time wasting.

As stated a match would then last 120 mins plus.

2 options that could be workable though:-

1. Minimum of 65 minutes "ball in play", so that if a team were taking their time on goal kicks, throw ins, free kicks and going down for non-existent injuries they still know it wont unduly affect the game in play time.

2. 2 sets of extra time - injury/subs/goals/decisions time - made up of all the normal things they add on. Empower to the ref to double any time used up for timewasting alone- if he thinks 2 mins has been time-wasted, double it to 4.

eg. 3 mins for the first part, plus 4 minutes to make up for 2 mins time-wasting.

Booking the keeper in the 88th minute when he has done it for 10 goal kicks and for over 70 minutes isnt enough of a deterrent. Lets face it everyone in the stadium knows when its been getting done, and we've all been on the receiving end or done it.

Either that or 5 seconds max to get a ball back in play once in hand or at feet, otherwise the ball goes to the opposition in the same place - that would be fun for goalkicks.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Booking the keeper in the 88th minute when he has done it for 10 goal kicks and for over 70 minutes isnt enough of a deterrent. Lets face it everyone in the stadium knows when its been getting done, and we've all been on the receiving end or done it.

Either that or 5 seconds max to get a ball back in play once in hand or at feet, otherwise the ball goes to the opposition in the same place - that would be fun for goalkicks.

Don't the keepers have a 6 second allowance when holding onto the ball before it must be at feet. How often do you see the oppostion players standing off a keeper when hes got the ball at his feet waiting for his team to move to something he thinks acceptable.

 

[Orikoru]

Don't the keepers have a 6 second allowance when holding onto the ball before it must be at feet. How often do you see the oppostion players standing off a keeper when hes got the ball at his feet waiting for his team to move to something he thinks acceptable.

There is no 6 second rule on the keeper holding onto the ball. That was once a rule for a short while but later removed again. Nowadays the rule isn't timed, it's just the referee's discretion as to whether the keeper has hold onto it too long in order to waste time, I believe.

 

[MegaSteve]

This made me giggle... Being advertised at our local theatre...
An evening with Liverpool Legends...
Howard Gayle, John Barnes MBE & Emile Heskey...

There was me thinking all the daytrippers in these parts followed ManU...

 

[Beezerk]

There is no 6 second rule on the keeper holding onto the ball. That was once a rule for a short while but later removed again. Nowadays the rule isn't timed, it's just the referee's discretion as to whether the keeper has hold onto it too long in order to waste time, I believe.

I'm a goalkeeper now (again), I really should know this rule lol. I didn't even know about the defender inside the box for goal kicks until one of the lads mentioned it last week

 

[Papas1982]

I know that the biggest culprits are obviously the smaller clubs, but every big club does the same thing when something important is at stake.

For burnley in this example any chance of a point in the prem is vital. For a top club it'll be leading in a CL semi.

Many times a big club will score in the 80th minute, having complained all the while about their opponents only to do the same once they have the lead.

I've also seen almost every team do it when playing Barca when they were at their pomp.

It's not a nice tactic, but it is one all the same. Its the same when people criticise an oponent for sitting back and playing anti footy instead of having a go and getting thumped 5-0.

If a big club doesn't win against a smaller club they need an excuse. Let's be honest. In those games they've usually still had 20 plus shots.

 

[MegaSteve]

Time wasting is not new... Been part of the game for time immemorial...

Some just do it better than others...

 

[clubchamp98]

I know that the biggest culprits are obviously the smaller clubs, but every big club does the same thing when something important is at stake.

For burnley in this example any chance of a point in the prem is vital. For a top club it'll be leading in a CL semi.

Many times a big club will score in the 80th minute, having complained all the while about their opponents only to do the same once they have the lead.

I've also seen almost every team do it when playing Barca when they were at their pomp.

It's not a nice tactic, but it is one all the same. Its the same when people criticise an oponent for sitting back and playing anti footy instead of having a go and getting thumped 5-0.

If a big club doesn't win against a smaller club they need an excuse. Let's be honest. In those games they've usually still had 20 plus shots.

This !
Football is riddled with two faced people.
A penalty for us is never a pen for them.
It’s our ball when it clearly went of our player .
Arsenal’s manager said the shirt pull by Louis was not a penalty, last year Salah would have gone down and been criticised for going down easy.
Time wasting by them is criminal but when we do it it’s tactical.
Attitudes need to change not just the rules.

Maybe some form of time keeper might just stop it a bit!

 

[Liverbirdie]

I know that the biggest culprits are obviously the smaller clubs, but every big club does the same thing when something important is at stake.

For burnley in this example any chance of a point in the prem is vital. For a top club it'll be leading in a CL semi.

Many times a big club will score in the 80th minute, having complained all the while about their opponents only to do the same once they have the lead.

I've also seen almost every team do it when playing Barca when they were at their pomp.

It's not a nice tactic, but it is one all the same. Its the same when people criticise an oponent for sitting back and playing anti footy instead of having a go and getting thumped 5-0.

If a big club doesn't win against a smaller club they need an excuse. Let's be honest. In those games they've usually still had 20 plus shots.

As I said, we've all done it or been on the receiving end, but it still doesnt make it right to do.

Its an offence in the rules, yet refs have this "way" of dealing with it, which mainly involves booking someone only in the last 10 minutes, and never sending off for it if they carry on doing it.

One if not both sets of fans are cheated to what they are paying a lot of money for.

Worst Ive ever seen was Chelsea at Anfield.

 

[Slime]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49493582

One for the Utd fans, would you have him back, is he a short term fix.

Ooooh. I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
He also reminds me of Joe Walsh!

 

[PJ87]

There is no 6 second rule on the keeper holding onto the ball. That was once a rule for a short while but later removed again. Nowadays the rule isn't timed, it's just the referee's discretion as to whether the keeper has hold onto it too long in order to waste time, I believe.

Sorry but where on earth do you get your football information from?

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules.../football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

Indirect free kick
An indirect free kick is awarded if a player:

• plays in a dangerous manner
• impedes the progress of an opponent without any contact being made
• is guilty of dissent, using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures or other verbal offences
• prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from the hands or kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
• commits any other offence, not mentioned in the Laws, for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player

An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:

• controls the ball with the hand/arm for more than six seconds before releasing it
• touches the ball with the hand/arm after releasing it and before it has touched another player
• touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after:
  • it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate
  • receiving it directly from a throw-in taken by a team-mate

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

• the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
• holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
• bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air

A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

 

[Orikoru]

Sorry but where on earth do you get your football information from?

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules.../football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

Indirect free kick
An indirect free kick is awarded if a player:

• plays in a dangerous manner
• impedes the progress of an opponent without any contact being made
• is guilty of dissent, using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures or other verbal offences
• prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from the hands or kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
• commits any other offence, not mentioned in the Laws, for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player

An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:

• controls the ball with the hand/arm for more than six seconds before releasing it
• touches the ball with the hand/arm after releasing it and before it has touched another player
• touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after:
  • it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate
  • receiving it directly from a throw-in taken by a team-mate

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

• the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
• holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
• bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air

A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

Oh, fair enough. Didn't realise it was still in the laws. I remember there being a big thing about it not being punished anymore though. Perhaps what I was thinking of was that's the referee's discretion as to whether he gives the free kick after 6 seconds or simply warns the goalie to get a move on.

http://www.goalkeeperhq.com/dont-abuse-the-leniency-of-the-6-second-rule/

Almost all associations agree that the rule was not meant to be strictly reinforced, and as long as the referee deems that the goalkeeper is making a sincere effort to release the ball, there is no need to strictly enforce the 6 second rule.

I obviously heard something like that a while ago and misinterpreted it as them removing the 6 second requirement. It is fair to say you almost never see it given.

 

[PJ87]

Oh, fair enough. Didn't realise it was still in the laws. I remember there being a big thing about it not being punished anymore though. Perhaps what I was thinking of was that's the referee's discretion as to whether he gives the free kick after 6 seconds or simply warns the goalie to get a move on.

http://www.goalkeeperhq.com/dont-abuse-the-leniency-of-the-6-second-rule/

I obviously heard something like that a while ago and misinterpreted it as them removing the 6 second requirement. It is fair to say you almost never see it given.

I’ll let you off 😂

 

[Orikoru]

I’ll let you off 😂

You may recall Mignolet famously getting done for the rule, he took up to 22 seconds before the ref finally awarded it for time-wasting.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...simon-mignolet-explaining-six-second-10513022

 

[PJ87]

Injury luck strikes again

Antonio has been back to top form for us.. but alas

Looks like a really bad tear of his hamstring

Operation required

 

[User62651]

Dean Saunders jailed for 10 weeks for driving blootered and refusing a breath test.
No sympathy.
Guessing the BT sport punditry ends now.
Silly man.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Dean Saunders jailed for 10 weeks for driving blootered and refusing a breath test.
No sympathy.
Guessing the BT sport punditry ends now.
Silly man.

Anything like sky sports and they’ll give him more airtime.

 

[Tashyboy]

Anything like sky sports and they’ll give him more airtime.

Didn't do Collymore much harm. Or a few others. ☹️