Portmarnock Open??

[Highfade]

Great news to hear the announcement of the 2028 open at Lytham after such a long break.

Disappointing that Turnberry is still being left out under the guise of 'logistics' when its an anti-trump political decision.
Also that Muirfield will likely not be considered again until at least 2031 after renaissance has been confirmed until 2030 for the scottish open, and again under the guise of logistics but another political decision.

That brings us to the increasing rumours of portmarnock being considered as host in the near future.
I know its not the 'British' Open (despite what the americans say) and that the R&A do have strong ties with Irish golf through other events with GB&I partnerships like the Walker Cup/Curtis Cup, however, this seems to be another example of nihilism to chip away at long standing traditions in society leaching into sport for no other reason than to break them.
The UK is not short of venues and whilst Portmarnock is an excellent location so this is no reflection on that course, this is entirely unnecessary in my view.

no doubt any dissention to the idea will be met with accusations being far-right or anti-progressive. No!

 

[Orikoru]

Disappointing that Turnberry is still being left out under the guise of 'logistics' when its an anti-trump political decision.

Which is looking more and more like the correct call with every passing day.

 

[Highfade]

Which is looking more and more like the correct call with every passing day.

maybe so, but we should be able to separate 'church & state', so to speak.
but keen for this not to be a trump thread and about the merits of portmarnock being an open venue.

 

[wjemather]

Great news to hear the announcement of the 2028 open at Lytham after such a long break.

Disappointing that Turnberry is still being left out under the guise of 'logistics' when its an anti-trump political decision.
Also that Muirfield will likely not be considered again until at least 2031 after renaissance has been confirmed until 2030 for the scottish open, and again under the guise of logistics but another political decision.

That brings us to the increasing rumours of portmarnock being considered as host in the near future.
I know its not the 'British' Open (despite what the americans say) and that the R&A do have strong ties with Irish golf through other events with GB&I partnerships like the Walker Cup/Curtis Cup, however, this seems to be another example of nihilism to chip away at long standing traditions in society leaching into sport for no other reason than to break them.
The UK is not short of venues and whilst Portmarnock is an excellent location so this is no reflection on that course, this is entirely unnecessary in my view.

no doubt any dissention to the idea will be met with accusations being far-right or anti-progressive. No!

Portmarnock would be a great venue for The Open, and an Open Championship at Portmarnock would still be "British".

However, it's still only a few years since they first accepted women as members, so on the basis that Muirfield still hasn't returned to the rota almost twice as long after changing their policy, Portmarnock may have to wait a while, and will likely hold a Women's Open first.

 

[evemccc]

Agree, pretty much, with all your points here

@Highfade

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Imo Portmarnock would be a great venue for The Open

It most certainly is good enough to host The Open , R&A have already hosted events there

But it’s going to take its time

Add also a location in Wales and you will have a great rota across all the countries

As for Turnberry - it won’t host the event whilst the owner is the same

 

[kp17]

I think although Mr Trump is the main block on an open at Turnberry, the lack of roads in and out, hotels, public transport etc will all play a big part now too with the numbers through the gates nowadays.

Portmarnock would be brilliant, no idea how that is on the same fronts as above mind you.

 

[doublebogey7]

I would be way more concerned if the R&A moved The Open to a heathland or Parkland course than I have them moving it to Ireland. Seems to me that you aregument against such a move is purely a political one, while at the same time saying we should be able to seperate politics from sport.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I would be way more concerned if the R&A moved The Open to a heathland or Parkland course than I have them moving it to Ireland. Seems to me that you aregument against such a move is purely a political one, while at the same time saying we should be able to seperate politics from sport.

Thankfully we can be assured that they won’t move away from a links

 

[Highfade]

I would be way more concerned if the R&A moved The Open to a heathland or Parkland course than I have them moving it to Ireland. Seems to me that you aregument against such a move is purely a political one, while at the same time saying we should be able to seperate politics from sport.

Not a political one at all.
Entirely a geographical one.
In my opinion the open shouldn’t be played outside the UK simple as that.
Maybe not even outside GB for that matter.

 

[wjemather]

Not a political one at all.
Entirely a geographical one.
In my opinion the open shouldn’t be played outside the UK simple as that.
Maybe not even outside GB for that matter.

There are really only political (or perhaps historical) reasons for staying within geographical boundaries that are entirely political in nature.

Geographically, the island of Ireland is within the British Isles.
Historically, The R&A have held events at Portmarnock going back almost 100 years, and at Portrush for 75 years.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Not a political one at all.
Entirely a geographical one.
In my opinion the open shouldn’t be played outside the UK simple as that.
Maybe not even outside GB for that matter.

The Open has been out of GB before and R&A have had events in Ireland before

 

[Highfade]

There are really only political (or perhaps historical) reasons for staying within geographical boundaries that are entirely political in nature.

Geographically, the island of Ireland is within the British Isles.
Historically, The R&A have held events at Portmarnock going back almost 100 years, and at Portrush for 75 years

If it’s only political reasons for staying within a geographical boundary that are political in nature then why not just have the open in any other country on earth that the R&A are the governing body for. The R&A host events around the world every year anyway.

Portrush is in the UK.
Portmarnock has hosted the amateur and the Walker cup not the flagship event.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

If it’s only political reasons for staying within a geographical boundary that are political in nature then why not just have the open in any other country on earth that the R&A are the governing body for. The R&A host events around the world every year anyway.

Portrush is in the UK.
Portmarnock has hosted the amateur and the Walker cup not the flagship event.

R&A chief ‘cautiously optimistic’ about Portmarnock hosting The Open

Ireland’s touring pros out in force; Matt Fitzpatrick with some brotherly advice; and more

www.irishtimes.com

It will host the Women’s First then The Open

 

[Highfade]

R&A chief ‘cautiously optimistic’ about Portmarnock hosting The Open

Ireland’s touring pros out in force; Matt Fitzpatrick with some brotherly advice; and more

www.irishtimes.com

It will host the Women’s First then The Open

“Cautiously optimistic about the potential” I think it says.

Never the less, in my opinion it is unnecessary as there are more than enough viable candidates in the uk to host.

The R&A are more than capable of supporting borderline candidates with meeting requirements.
This is a gimmick.

Again nothing against Portmarnock. Amazing course.

 

[wjemather]

If it’s only political reasons for staying within a geographical boundary that are political in nature then why not just have the open in any other country on earth that the R&A are the governing body for. The R&A host events around the world every year anyway.

Portrush is in the UK.
Portmarnock has hosted the amateur and the Walker cup not the flagship event.

The Open is not the "UK Open".
The Amateur Championship is certainly a flagship event of The R&A, and was even more so in 1949, when Portmarnock first hosted it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Ir

“Cautiously optimistic about the potential” I think it says.

Never the less, in my opinion it is unnecessary as there are more than enough viable candidates in the uk to host.

The R&A are more than capable of supporting borderline candidates with meeting requirements.
This is a gimmick.

Again nothing against Portmarnock. Amazing course.

It’s not a gimmick at all and there aren’t that many courses viable to host The Open but there shouldn’t be an issue with hosting it on a course like Portmarnock

 

[doublebogey7]

Not a political one at all.
Entirely a geographical one.
In my opinion the open shouldn’t be played outside the UK simple as that.
Maybe not even outside GB for that matter.

Erm, since when was the UK anything other than a political entity. Very very few countries are built on geography alone and the UK is certainly not one of them.

 

[doublebogey7]

If it’s only political reasons for staying within a geographical boundary that are political in nature then why not just have the open in any other country on earth that the R&A are the governing body for. The R&A host events around the world every year anyway.

Portrush is in the UK.
Portmarnock has hosted the amateur and the Walker cup not the flagship event.

You are the only one arguing that it should stay within the confines of a political region, though there are very few links courses in the rest of the world that would be suitable or capable of holding The Open.

 

[Highfade]

You are the only one arguing that it should stay within the confines of a political region, though there are very few links courses in the rest of the world that would be suitable or capable of holding The Open.

Well if your so open to going against the 160+ year tradition of the open being held in Britain/uk then why does it need to adhere to any ‘rule’ that it should be played on a links style course?