On and Around the Green - Who plays first?

[GaryK]

Let's say that the pin is near the front of the green and player A is 5 yards away from the hole, but not actually on the green. Player B is on the green, but at the back, say 10 yards from the hole. Who should play first?

My PP reckons that it should be player A as he is not on the green (despite being nearer the hole).
When I said that I thought otherwise as I had seen the exact opposite to what he was saying on the USPGA tour, he said that the yanks do it differently.

Please could someone confirm and point me to the respective rule number.

 

[guest100718]

Always furtherst away to play. No. Plenty in stroke play. I can ask you to replay in matchplay.

 

[guest100718]

Penalty..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Whoever is ready first - ready golf is going to be the recommended method that the R&A would like players to use

If in a matchplay then it’s the furthest to the pin unless you decide between you that one of the green can come on first

But overall it’s common sense between grown adults

 

[guest100718]

It's furthest from the flag plays first but there is no penalty for playing out of turn. Although in matchplay I can ask you to replay the shot.

 

[rulefan]

The essence is in the posts above but if you want to prove anything to your pal you should refer him to this.

http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!rule-10

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Furthest from the pin However we would normally play so if the player off the actual green wants the pin left in they would go first just to save time. If all players are happy with the pin out, then it would be in distance order, "ready golf" still being considered

 

[bobmac]

When I said that I thought otherwise as I had seen the exact opposite to what he was saying on the USPGA tour, he said that the yanks do it differently.

Please could someone confirm and point me to the respective rule number.

The essence is in the posts above but if you want to prove anything to your pal you should refer him to this.

http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-....html#!rule-10

I'm not sure linking to the American rules site would be the best idea in this scenario

 

[backwoodsman]

To answer the OP's question, it's rule 10.

To cover Bobmac's rather pertinent point, would suggest you refer your mate to both to the R&A and the USGA websites to show him they are the same. And also point out that rule 10 doesn't mention anything about greens - because whether or not a ball is on a green is irrelevant

 

[KenL]

Give your friend a rules book and ask him to read it!
But...ready golf is the way forward, especially in bounce games.

 

[duncan mackie]

To cover Bobmac's rather pertinent point, would suggest you refer your mate to both to the R&A and the USGA websites to show him they are the same...

:rofl: :cheers:

 

[rulefan]

I'm not sure linking to the American rules site would be the best idea in this scenario

Show him this then

https://www.randa.org/Rules-of-Golf/MainRules/10-Order-of-Play

Or even better, the first page of the book that I'm sure that GaryK normally carries with him.

 

[GaryK]

Thanks all for confirming my understanding and pointing me to the rule.
I have sent the R&A link to my mate and also managed to dig out my rules books which is now in the bag.

 

[rulefan]

I have ..... also managed to dig out my rules books which is now in the bag.

Don't forget to change it over in a year's time.

 

[LincolnShep]

My PP reckons that it should be player A as he is not on the green (despite being nearer the hole).

Your PP is not alone, it's a common misconception. It's often quicker for the player off the green to play first as it saves having to take the flag out and the put it back in again. If it's me, I always ask "shall I come on?" rather than assume my PP is OK with me playing out of turn. I think one of the changes for 2018 is being allowed to putt with the flag in - so it'll cease to be a timesaver in many circumstances.

 

[rulefan]

Let's say that the pin is near the front of the green and player A is 5 yards away from the hole, but not actually on the green. Player B is on the green, but at the back, say 10 yards from the hole. Who should play first?

My PP reckons that it should be player A as he is not on the green (despite being nearer the hole).
When I said that I thought otherwise as I had seen the exact opposite to what he was saying on the USPGA tour, he said that the yanks do it differently.

Please could someone confirm and point me to the respective rule number.

Re the post above and your reference to PP (Playing Partner).
a) Note that there is no such animal in the Rules. The guy you are playing with in the same group in a strokeplay comp is a Fellow Competitor and Rule 10-2 applies.

b) But more importantly, the person you are playing with as a team is a Partner. In which case, you as a pair have the choice of who plays first. Rule 31-4 applies

 

[atticusfinch]

I'm not sure linking to the American rules site would be the best idea in this scenario

Whaaa? The ROG are the same all round the world...farthest from hole plays. (I'll overlook your chauvinist tone this time. :ears: )

The pro tours would frequently play with the exception to R22-2 in mind, perhaps exaggerating the meaning of "interference." (This is sometimes cited as evidence of a continuous putting rule.) Because most casual players have some kind of "ready golf" custom, the actual rule is not commonly used.

R. 22-2: Except when a ball is in motion, if a player considers that another ball might interfere with his play, he may have it lifted.


A ball lifted under this Rule must be replaced (see Rule 20-3). The ball must not be cleaned, unless it lies on the putting green (see Rule 21).


In stroke play, a player required to lift his ball may play first rather than lift the ball.

 

[bobmac]

Whaaa? The ROG are the same all round the world...farthest from hole plays. (I'll overlook your chauvinist tone this time. :ears: )

Please read all of post no.8

 

[atticusfinch]

Where are posts numbered? All I see is #1. Why don't you just copy the post instead of making a game out if it?

 

[Colin L]

Where are posts numbered? All I see is #1. Why don't you just copy the post instead of making a game out if it?

The number is on the black bar above each post. Day and time to the left; number of post on the right.