Oh No!! Not the 'I' Word again.

[JustOne]

His argument is also flawed as there is no thought put towards infrastructure. We may have acres of room for everyone but as there are not the houses, schools doctors, nurses and teachers let alone a road system to cope with the present inhabitants how are we going to manage any influx of immigrants or refugees.

I'm sure most if not all would be happy to have a portacabin and food.

What we need is to change the laws so that whilst people are welcome there will be a certain 'lifestyle' that they will have to expect, whether that be financial/religious/location etc.... might not be quite so appealing then.... but safe.

These laws will make the current inhabitants (us) not scared that we are going to jeopardise our 'freedoms' and that our women will still be able to wear bikinis without being stoned to death. Most of us are not racist/xenophobes... we are just concerned for our own freedoms should the apple cart be disturbed.

 

[Old Skier]

I'm sure most if not all would be happy to have a portacabin and food.

What we need is to change the laws so that whilst people are welcome there will be a certain 'lifestyle' that they will have to expect, whether that be financial/religious/location etc.... might not be quite so appealing then.... but safe.

These laws will make the current inhabitants (us) not scared that we are going to jeopardise our 'freedoms' and that our women will still be able to wear bikinis without being stoned to death. Most of us are not racist/xenophobes... we are just concerned for our own freedoms should the apple cart be disturbed.

Unfortunately people get sick and require education so that's a good 4 years of training time, where have you allowed for the time for the training of the necessary people to do this. Your not a council official or planner are you by any chance.

The best solution was always for refugees to go into the dedicated UNHCR sites as most have where the necessary help is available .

 

[JustOne]

Unfortunately people get sick and require education so that's a good 4 years of training time, where have you allowed for the time for the training of the necessary people to do this. Your not a council official or planner are you by any chance.

The best solution was always for refugees to go into the dedicated UNHCR sites as most have where the necessary help is available .

Our own population due to child birth will add approx 3 million in the next 10yrs.... they are going to need education/health services too so there should already be a plan for expansion. Yes a huge influx at once will cause a short term problem for the areas they are 'housed' if they are housed in bulk but no more than if they were at a refugee camp anywhere else in the world.

As I said in a previous post... 255 million people could legally turn up tomorrow, what plan do we have in place for that?

 

[MegaSteve]

As I said in a previous post... 255 million people could legally turn up tomorrow, what plan do we have in place for that?

Hopefully the EU will give us a bit more of an allowance from the £55M+ a day we pay for subs....

 

[Tashyboy]

Without an emotionally detached, considered, reasoned debate based around factual, statistically correct data then (imo) our infrastructure couldn't cope with taking in 'all' of them.

Plans would need to be in place and executed in order to provide these services for any influx, let alone maintain the current level for our current citizens.

And when we have a PM, seemingly, basing his policy around a photograph in a newspaper, then I'd say it's fair to assume that that debate is not going to take place.

Agree with every word you have said, and I am sat here supping me tea thinking " wonder why we have not had a debate about this " be it at national or international level.

 

[The Green Fairy]

France accepts 24,000 immigrants from Syria - and then launches airstrikes in Syria.

Beggar's belief.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

France accepts 24,000 immigrants from Syria - and then launches airstrikes in Syria.

Beggar's belief.

Can you not tell the difference ?

 

[The Green Fairy]

Can you not tell the difference ?

OK, I expected that, so here is the reply - think about it, you may need more than half a brain.

Fact is, we are accepting migrants from Syria and feeling sorry for them - and then going out and bombing the crap out of other Syrians, killing and maiming kids no doubt.


If the war changed direction and it was the ISIL faction fleeing and asking for refuge - would we be as compassionate.


. . . and if not, why not?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

OK, I expected that, so here is the reply - think about it, you may need more than half a brain.

Fact is, we are accepting migrants from Syria and feeling sorry for them - and then going out and bombing the crap out of other Syrians, killing and maiming kids no doubt.


If the war changed direction and it was the ISIL faction fleeing and asking for refuge - would we be as compassionate.


. . . and if not, why not?

So you can't tell the difference then - cheers for clearing that up

 

[londonlewis]

think about it, you may need more than half a brain.

so rude

 

[The Green Fairy]

So you can't tell the difference then - cheers for clearing that up

Smart answer - that appears to be your forte. It would help debate if you were able to use the other half :smirk:

 

[The Green Fairy]

so rude

People are only thinking one way with this, there are other issues - and plenty of dead kids that don't make the news.

I repeat:

If the war changed direction and it was the ISIL faction fleeing and asking for refuge - would we be as compassionate.


. . . and if not, why not?

 

[londonlewis]

and plenty of dead kids that don't make the news.

Ok, what is your point?

 

[The Green Fairy]

If the war changed direction and it was the ISIL faction fleeing and asking for refuge - would we be as compassionate.


. . . and if not, why not?

 

[Hobbit]

People are only thinking one way with this, there are other issues - and plenty of dead kids that don't make the news.

I repeat:

If the war changed direction and it was the ISIL faction fleeing and asking for refuge - would we be as compassionate.


. . . and if not, why not?

If a terrorist army in ISIL were fleeing the fighting why would we be compassionate? Surely the whole idea is to defeat ISIL to stop the war that is causing the current problem? Maybe I'm missing something here but I genuinely haven't got a clue where your garbled mind is taking this point... Wouldn't do any harm for your other half to be engaged...

 

[londonlewis]

If the war changed direction and it was the ISIL faction fleeing and asking for refuge - would we be as compassionate.


. . . and if not, why not?

That isn't exactly how seeking asylum works though is it.
Turning around half way through a war that you started and saying 'ah ... boys, we are losing this one aren't we! Let's run away and seek asylum in Europe'.

For full visibility - a refugee is; a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

In the example you have given, those that would be fleeing don't fit the above description.

 

[FairwayDodger]

If the war changed direction and it was the ISIL faction fleeing and asking for refuge - would we be as compassionate.


. . . and if not, why not?

Hopefully not. I'd expect us to lock them up and charge them with crimes against humanity.

 

[londonlewis]

If the war changed direction and it was the ISIL faction fleeing and asking for refuge - would we be as compassionate.


. . . and if not, why not?

when I asked what your point was, I was asking in regards to the 'and plenty of dead kids that don't make the news' comment.

what is your point regarding this comment?

 

[The Green Fairy]

If a terrorist army in ISIL were fleeing the fighting why would we be compassionate? Surely the whole idea is to defeat ISIL to stop the war that is causing the current problem? Maybe I'm missing something here but I genuinely haven't got a clue where your garbled mind is taking this point... Wouldn't do any harm for your other half to be engaged...

One mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I believe that originally we wanted to get shot of Assad.

 

[The Green Fairy]

when I asked what your point was, I was asking in regards to the 'and plenty of dead kids that don't make the news' comment.

what is your point regarding this comment?

The West have created the problem and our interventions have killed many people, including children.

I don't agree that any one faction is better or worse than another. As someone pointed out to me, it's their religion and beliefs that drive them, or the degree to which they adhere to them.