Official WHS Survey

[Slab]

Re the article

I’ve yet to hear about anyone doing it yet but to make it into his top ‘4 things to change’ it must be far more prevalent in the UK to submit a 10+ holer round for an 18 hole score (although he doesn’t mention any instances of it happening, just that it can be done & that seems to be enough for him to want rid of it)

As a GM editor he’d be easier to get on board with if he was championing WHS changes/improvement for any/all handicappers rather than from a personal perspective

I do mostly agree with his PCC comment though

 

[Dunesman]

That’s as blatant a click bait article as you will ever see .

That would not be clickbait at all.

Clickbait is a title or link designed to attract clicks using exagerated, sensationalised, or deeceptive or veiled hints of extraordinary revelations, but the actual article or media does not actually match up to the suggestion of the title.

In this case, the article delivers exactly on the title, with the 4 changes of the title the author proposes as changes to WHS explained, a live topic of discussion as we see here and on other forums and media. Thus would not be an example of clickbait.

 

[PaulMdj]

Fergus having another go at WHS

4 Things I’d Change About Golf's World Handicap System

Fergus Bisset gives his thoughts on how the World Handicap System might be altered to be more equitable and help more UK golfers enjoy their golf...

www.golfmonthly.com

Fair article, raises a few good points, but also recognises it’s here to stay, unlike some on here.

The one area I disagree is the guy turning up and having a belter, when you’ve a field of over 120 golfers and maybe 20% are low handicappers, unfortunately the chance of one of the other 80% producing a belter is probably very high and reducing the amount of scoring cards etc is not going to negate that happening.

Also the mindset of not playing to buffer or giving up during the round, thst’s down to an individual isn’t it?

 

[IanMac]

So you have been maintaining a vanity cap?

It sounds like WHS is doing its job and giving you an index that reflects your actual ability. Saying you could do this, that and the other if the circumstances were just right is all well and good, but your scores seem to show you aren’t quite as good as you think you are.

Maybe some of your resentment is coming from that, as the WHS has pushed you up to an index you are a bit embarrassed about?

You can read that into my explanation if you want to. The good news is that I've had a week or two to get my game back on track after not much golf through the summer. Played well on Saturday but no card opportunity. No more card opportunities until late March but plenty of golf. Others will have understood that point.

 

[PaulMdj]

You can read that into my explanation if you want to. The good news is that I've had a week or two to get my game back on track after not much golf through the summer. Played well on Saturday but no card opportunity. No more card opportunities until late March but plenty of golf. Others will have understood that point.

Why no card opportunities? Is this restricted to just your Club or the whole of NI?

 

[Banchory Buddha]

That’s as blatant a click bait article as you will ever see .

Whoever this fellow is, all he’s done is read some of the guff on here and pretty much copy and pasted it. Quality journalism.

Lol, tell me you don't understand what "clickbait" means.....

"The fellow" has a very extensive range of articles and many of them are already about WHS, "guff" is not something he is prone to

 

[wjemather]

Fergus wrote an article a few weeks ago about WHS misconceptions. Unintentionally, he also included a few additional misconceptions of his own while explaining his selected few. His latest article continues that theme.

They're only opinion pieces (so devoid evidence, balance, etc.) but it's a shame the author doesn't have a better grasp on the subject matter, however representative of the general golfing public/readership that may be.

 

[IanMac]

Why no card opportunities? Is this restricted to just your Club or the whole of NI?

Course was hollowtined on Saturday and I was playing away.

 

[PaulMdj]

Course was hollowtined on Saturday and I was playing away.

But why not until March?

 

[clubchamp98]

I'd never heard of him before but I'm not surprised to see he is a low capper.

He is also an expert historian of the game!

Seems to me this is a them and us scenario .
WHS is not liked by mainly low cappers.
But high cappers love it.

The reason for that is obvious.
His view is formed by his experiences in the game.
Similar to us all, you either like it or you don’t depending how it affects you personally.

 

[clubchamp98]

Why no card opportunities? Is this restricted to just your Club or the whole of NI?

I work on golf courses all over the country.

Imo no card opportunity is very common in England as it’s when most clubs start a winter program of works on the course.
We are doing four green renovations and temps are 100yds short of the green to protect the workers.

Don’t know about NI.

 

[IanMac]

But why not until March?

That's just the way it is every year. Those that are members of inland courses are lucky to get any golf at all, too wet. I have friends who lose balls in the middle of the fairways at their club. Those if us who are lucky enough to play links golf see an influx of dual members who can't get into their waterlogged courses. So there is a fair bit of golf on our course and it has to be protected. Forward tees and mats are normal through the winter. We will not have a full 18 holes in play most weeks.

 

[IanMac]

He is also an expert historian of the game!

Seems to me this is a them and us scenario .
WHS is not liked by mainly low cappers.
But high cappers love it.

The reason for that is obvious.
His view is formed by his experiences in the game.
Similar to us all, you either like it or you don’t depending how it affects you personally.

I take your point but I actually don't like the way it has affected the collective. We shouldn't be split on something so fundamental to our enjoyment. I also know high handicappers who feel that way.

 

[PaulMdj]

I work on golf courses all over the country.

Imo no card opportunity is very common in England as it’s when most clubs start a winter program of works on the course.
We are doing four green renovations and temps are 100yds short of the green to protect the workers.

Don’t know about NI.

Fully aware of how Clubs operate in England thank you.

Hence I specifically asked about NI.

 

[PaulMdj]

That's just the way it is every year. Those that are members of inland courses are lucky to get any golf at all, too wet. I have friends who lose balls in the middle of the fairways at their club. Those if us who are lucky enough to play links golf see an influx of dual members who can't get into their waterlogged courses. So there is a fair bit of golf on our course and it has to be protected. Forward tees and mats are normal through the winter. We will not have a full 18 holes in play most weeks.

We go on to mats and have our “short winter course” rated, but will still hold qualifiers if weather and works programme permits.

Some of our Team players only usr practise facilities during the winter as they hate winter Golf, wondered if the same happenens for yous.

 

[IanMac]

We go on to mats and have our “short winter course” rated, but will still hold qualifiers if weather and works programme permits.

Some of our Team players only usr practise facilities during the winter as they hate winter Golf, wondered if the same happenens for yous.

Well I would like it if they'd rate our short course for mats. A mat makes life easier for those who don't strike it so well and they're hard to beat as a result. No handicap adjustments though! The high handicappers have a field day through the winter and so I might as well join them!

 

[IanMac]

Fergus wrote an article a few weeks ago about WHS misconceptions. Unintentionally, he also included a few additional misconceptions of his own while explaining his selected few. His latest article continues that theme.

They're only opinion pieces (so devoid evidence, balance, etc.) but it's a shame the author doesn't have a better grasp on the subject matter, however representative of the general golfing public/readership that may be.

Please supply a link. I'd like to read.

 

[Banchory Buddha]

Fergus wrote an article a few weeks ago about WHS misconceptions. Unintentionally, he also included a few additional misconceptions of his own while explaining his selected few. His latest article continues that theme.

They're only opinion pieces (so devoid evidence, balance, etc.) but it's a shame the author doesn't have a better grasp on the subject matter, however representative of the general golfing public/readership that may be.

This is hilarious Fergus Bissett doesn't have a grasp on the subject matter? Utterly brilliant, I didn't have you down as a comedian, but this is gold

There's missing the net, and then there's punting your shot clear over the stands and into the street, and that is just how bad a miss this is

Btw, I'm sure you read his piece on the evidence that WHS was favouring high handicaps, that was a full year of HDID stats, that the sort of lack of evidence you mean?

 

[wjemather]

Well I would like it if they'd rate our short course for mats. A mat makes life easier for those who don't strike it so well and they're hard to beat as a result. No handicap adjustments though! The high handicappers have a field day through the winter and so I might as well join them!

It's probably safe to assume course handicaps are being calculated according to much higher ratings than would be the case if the shortened winter course was rated; this alone would inevitably afford higher handicaps an advantage.

 

[wjemather]

Please supply a link. I'd like to read.

Click on his name - it'll bring up a list of articles.