Obesity

[ManinBlack]

I recently read "Eat Fat Get Thin" by Barry Groves. He says the modern obesity problem is caused by excessive consumption of carbohydrates & so called "healthy" fats in many processed foods. He has lived for years on a diet of saturated fat & protein, fatty meat, cream, cheese & butter & gives reasons, along with evidence from research, why this is a healthy way to lose weight, maintain weight loss & protect against, among other things, heart disease & diabetes. He's not the only one who thinks like this and points out that, 50 years ago, when people were eating this stuff there was less obesity & heard disease.

We try at home to have 2 or 3 no carb days a week, but I couldn't go without my fish & chips or curry & rice. My BMI is 22 and my waist has only gone up from 34" tom36" in the last 40 years.

 

[c1973]

Can you run a 100 yards flat out and breathe normally after a few deep breaths in a relatively short time? Yes, then don't worry eat what ye like, because you obviously look after yourself. No, then start worrying and get your backside down the gym and watch what you eat. Simple really.

BMI is a load of cobblers if you ask me.



It will be interesting to see if 'fat gits' now become public enemy number one like smokers were due to the cost of treating associated ailments.
Maybe a ban on stuffing pies into your mouth in public places is in order?

 

[c1973]

I recently read "Eat Fat Get Thin" by Barry Groves. He says the modern obesity problem is caused by excessive consumption of carbohydrates & so called "healthy" fats in many processed foods. He has lived for years on a diet of saturated fat & protein, fatty meat, cream, cheese & butter & gives reasons, along with evidence from research, why this is a healthy way to lose weight, maintain weight loss & protect against, among other things, heart disease & diabetes. He's not the only one who thinks like this and points out that, 50 years ago, when people were eating this stuff there was less obesity & heard disease.

We try at home to have 2 or 3 no carb days a week, but I couldn't go without my fish & chips or curry & rice. My BMI is 22 and my waist has only gone up from 34" tom36" in the last 40 years.

A fair bit of truth in that if you ask me.

Balance the calories with what you burn and eat proper food.

 

[Nosevi]

I am getting worried about my BMI, not sure how I can still fit into a 32 inc waist and be verging on overweight though...

I went down a stone when I stopped playing rugby, I have it back on over the last 4 years in chub!

It was funny that when I played rugby I had a 30 inch waist and was classed as overweight according to my BMI!

When I was a flanker playing Rugby for my college at Oxford and rowing in an 8 I was clinically obese according to BMI yet it was all muscle. Our training coach was a recently retired Royal Marines PTI and used to beast us mercilessly, spent hours in the gym and longer out running and on the pitch. BMI is an utterly pointless measure of obesity.

That said I'm now still heavy and it isn't muscle so as Imurg below I've started to get into shape a bit - 1 1/2 stone gone, lots more to go. My Pro says if I want to take this game seriously I need to get into shape. I'm guessing it'll help my putting......

I'm working my way to a healthy weight.
Lost over 2 stone since August and there's more to go.

 

[Nosevi]

I recently read "Eat Fat Get Thin" by Barry Groves. He says the modern obesity problem is caused by excessive consumption of carbohydrates & so called "healthy" fats in many processed foods. He has lived for years on a diet of saturated fat & protein, fatty meat, cream, cheese & butter & gives reasons, along with evidence from research, why this is a healthy way to lose weight, maintain weight loss & protect against, among other things, heart disease & diabetes. He's not the only one who thinks like this and points out that, 50 years ago, when people were eating this stuff there was less obesity & heard disease.

I'm not entirely sure if this is true or not but I'm willing to give it a go. Does it specifically say I CAN'T eat carbs or just that I CAN eat fat? Hoping for the latter

 

[CMAC]

I recently read "Eat Fat Get Thin" by Barry Groves. He says the modern obesity problem is caused by excessive consumption of carbohydrates & so called "healthy" fats in many processed foods. He has lived for years on a diet of saturated fat & protein, fatty meat, cream, cheese & butter & gives reasons, along with evidence from research, why this is a healthy way to lose weight, maintain weight loss & protect against, among other things, heart disease & diabetes. He's not the only one who thinks like this and points out that, 50 years ago, when people were eating this stuff there was less obesity & heard disease.

We try at home to have 2 or 3 no carb days a week, but I couldn't go without my fish & chips or curry & rice. My BMI is 22 and my waist has only gone up from 34" tom36" in the last 40 years.

I would insert the word 'recorded' between less and obesity.

Life expectancy was lower and death by coronary was very high, especially in Scotland

 

[ManinBlack]

I'm not entirely sure if this is true or not but I'm willing to give it a go. Does it specifically say I CAN'T eat carbs or just that I CAN eat fat? Hoping for the latter

You should read the book, it's really well argued. It doesn't say no carbs at all & I try to keep the carbs & fat as far apart as possible. I think you'd be in serious trouble if you upped the fat & didn't reduce the carbs!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Came out at 24. Not convinced I'm really that picture of glowing health. I am concerned with the obesity problem and the ticking time bomb ready to explode in the next 20 years. Without sufficient funding and let's be honest money will continue to be squeezed from the NHS budget year on year, how are we going to cope. You only have to look at the US and the obesity problem they already have to see the impact

 

[Rumpokid]

Came out at 24. Not convinced I'm really that picture of glowing health. I am concerned with the obesity problem and the ticking time bomb ready to explode in the next 20 years. Without sufficient funding and let's be honest money will continue to be squeezed from the NHS budget year on year, how are we going to cope. You only have to look at the US and the obesity problem they already have to see the impact

Do you seriously believe throwing good money after bad is the answer???..Surely people should change their lifestyles, i.e drive past McDonalds and not through it, have smaller portions, instead of gobbling up the 2 for 1 (each), meals that cheapo pubs are offering, with a garguantum pile of profiteroles for afters!!!!..It isnt hard, and it isn't about NHS spending more on it.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Do you seriously believe throwing good money after bad is the answer???..Surely people should change their lifestyles, i.e drive past McDonalds and not through it, have smaller portions, instead of gobbling up the 2 for 1 (each), meals that cheapo pubs are offering, with a garguantum pile of profiteroles for afters!!!!..It isnt hard, and it isn't about NHS spending more on it.

I totally agree with you but can you really see that happening.

 

[MC72]

There should be substantial taxes on fast food outlets to combat the burden they're putting on the health service and the mess they're making of the areas round their outlets in terms of rubbish everywhere. Obese people should have a higher tax bracket to reflect the burden they place on the health service, if you have more money by losing weight that would be sufficient motivation for a lot of people.

a nutritionist previously stated that to maintain a healthy balanced diet you should never eat anything beige, or at last avoid or minimise it. He maintained that all your food should have a rich colour, e.g fruits and veg with bright colours should form the basis of your diet.

On a slightly different tact, have a look at the video I the attached link.....http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GljwL4KbLTo which may explain why fat people get fatter.

 

[SocketRocket]

I recently read "Eat Fat Get Thin" by Barry Groves. He says the modern obesity problem is caused by excessive consumption of carbohydrates & so called "healthy" fats in many processed foods. He has lived for years on a diet of saturated fat & protein, fatty meat, cream, cheese & butter & gives reasons, along with evidence from research, why this is a healthy way to lose weight, maintain weight loss & protect against, among other things, heart disease & diabetes. He's not the only one who thinks like this and points out that, 50 years ago, when people were eating this stuff there was less obesity & heard disease.

We try at home to have 2 or 3 no carb days a week, but I couldn't go without my fish & chips or curry & rice. My BMI is 22 and my waist has only gone up from 34" tom36" in the last 40 years.

I read a book by Dr John Briffa called 'Waist Disposal' He promotes a similar diet that cuts back on sugars and especially the hidden ones such as carbohydrates and promotes eating more proteins including a balance of saturated and unsaturated fats. I tried it and the fat started falling off me, especially around the waist. In my experience calorie control doesn't work as its not possible for most people to live on such a diet for long, with a low carb (sugar) high protein/vegetable diet you don't feel hungary. There are also factors like hydration and exercise to consider, it certainly worked well for me.

 

[Imurg]

The thing is its not just fast food.
If you follow any cookery programme - and there are many - all the chefs use vast amounts of sugar, butter, oils, cream etc etc...enough to put a serious amount of weight on if you have them even semi-regularly.
And let's not get onto the calorie content of alcohol......
Supermarkets pushing 18 packs of beer for a tenner....probably a similar amount of calories as a similar value of Big Macs...

 

[MC72]

Good point re: alcohol, allegedly over 400 calories in a single bottle of Magners. 2 bottles equates to a third of a mans daily calorie intake! Heavy drinking often goes hand with the ring type of food at the wrong time too ( kebabs after midnight???)

 

[Slime]

I shot a 21 and am twinned with Sri Lanka and Indonesia!


Slime.

 

[ManinBlack]

Good point re: alcohol, allegedly over 400 calories in a single bottle of Magners. 2 bottles equates to a third of a mans daily calorie intake! Heavy drinking often goes hand with the ring type of food at the wrong time too ( kebabs after midnight???)

A point re. the Magnets. Cider is made from apples so you can count it as one of your "five a day".

 

[ManinBlack]

I read a book by Dr John Briffa called 'Waist Disposal' He promotes a similar diet that cuts back on sugars and especially the hidden ones such as carbohydrates and promotes eating more proteins including a balance of saturated and unsaturated fats. I tried it and the fat started falling off me, especially around the waist. In my experience calorie control doesn't work as its not possible for most people to live on such a diet for long, with a low carb (sugar) high protein/vegetable diet you don't feel hungary. There are also factors like hydration and exercise to consider, it certainly worked well for me.

The way calorie content of food is measured is by burning it & measuring the heat it produces. This is not the way the body uses calories & a lot of experts say that carbohydrate calories contribute to more weight gain than the same number of protein/fat calories.

 

[Tashyboy]

One of the few lads at work to have a healthy BMI was nicknamed "skeletor". His diet was ridiculous.

i don't think that BMI should be the only tool to be used for gauging obesity. People that smoke put on weight, but I'm sure that encouraging everyone to smoke to lose weight would upset one or two.

a healthy lifestyle is the way forward.

for the record Tashyboy is not quite tall enough for his BMI.

 

[Rooter]

A point re. the Magnets. Cider is made from apples so you can count it as one of your "five a day".

The problem there is apparently there is very little apple in magners...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

How strange I am 25 my missus is 24, we both think that we are a stone overweight but according to the chart we are below world average.

I have this vision of the UK in 25 years time which involves millions of stoney broke, homeless, obese pensioners sitting for days in hospital detention centers.