Next England manager?

[larmen]

I hope I didn't get my history wrong. Vogts was out in 1998, and the 2 after him were Ribbeck and Voeller. I don't think either of them has started it.

Anyway, I think the system was 'stolen' from either France or, more likely, Holland anyway.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Didn't Beckenbauer and Klinnsman get success at international level with very little or no club management experience, maybe it is time for England to consider all options.

Yes, but the're German, and Germans are good at football, and stuff.:rofl:

 

[Liverbirdie]

Southgate did pretty well during his early term at Boro but some behind the scenes structural issues let him down. I stiil think he's a good manager. Not sure if he's top international class yet but you won't find out without trying him. Pullis is pretty good too, and if anything is maturing into quite a package. Eddie Howe... no, he's not there yet.

After that its trot out the same old same old. Do you give it to big Sam? Not for me. Pity Terry Venables is 73, and not liked by the establishment - cracking manager, evidenced in his later years by bailing out Robson at the Boro when they were nailed on to go down. 'arry, I wouldn't buy a used car off him.

Im sure you know more about Boro, Bri, but werent they woeful to watch under Southgate.

Didnt they go about 10 games without scoring?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Im sure you know more about Boro, Bri, but werent they woeful to watch under Southgate.

Didnt they go about 10 games without scoring?

You're getting confused with Hodgson when he was with LPool :rofl:

 

[Liverbirdie]

You're getting confused with Hodgson when he was with LPool :rofl:

And to think that us Liverpool fans were told we were wrong to get rid of Roy, and didnt give him a chance.......sheesh.

TOLD YERS!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[richy]

Good point well made sir. Not sure he fits the Blazers at FA HQ vision of an England manager sadly. Too passionate and arguably too good

What a stupid comment.

 

[Hickory_Hacker]

What a stupid comment.

That's harsh ... There has been more than a few stupid comments and suggestions on who should get the job, it's not important enough to point out an individual post.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

What a stupid comment.

Really??? So why historically have the FA never appointed anyone with the passion and non-conforming attitude of a Bilic who would definitely not fit the FA blueprint. You can go as far back as Clough onwards and any manager deemed a little bit of a risk, irrespective of results at club or international level was overlooked

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Really??? So why historically have the FA never appointed anyone with the passion and non-conforming attitude of a Bilic who would definitely not fit the FA blueprint. You can go as far back as Clough onwards and any manager deemed a little bit of a risk, irrespective of results at club or international level was overlooked

Homer, why is Southgate a Yes man?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Already in the FA set up, and although has done a good job in the U21 set up he never strikes me as a man who would arguably drop a Hart or Rooney and just seems to conform to the way the FA prefer management to simply go about their business without causing too many ripples. Just an opinion

 

[richy]

That's harsh ... There has been more than a few stupid comments and suggestions on who should get the job, it's not important enough to point out an individual post.

Really??? So why historically have the FA never appointed anyone with the passion and non-conforming attitude of a Bilic who would definitely not fit the FA blueprint. You can go as far back as Clough onwards and any manager deemed a little bit of a risk, irrespective of results at club or international level was overlooked

It was the "too good" part. How could someone be too good? Surely the previous lot haven't been good enough? I'm pretty sure you were sticking up for Hodgson recently. Probably something to do with the Fulham connection.

 

[richy]

Already in the FA set up, and although has done a good job in the U21 set up he never strikes me as a man who would arguably drop a Hart or Rooney and just seems to conform to the way the FA prefer management to simply go about their business without causing too many ripples. Just an opinion

Didn't Hodgson drop Rooney during this tournament? And he's what you'd call a yes man.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Seems to me there isn't an English candidate with the credentials to deliver a trophy win, which seems to be the expectation level for England. You need to go foreign, even though that didn't work brilliantly in the past.

To be honest, if you could do foreign players too that would help!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It was the "too good" part. How could someone be too good? Surely the previous lot haven't been good enough? I'm pretty sure you were sticking up for Hodgson recently. Probably something to do with the Fulham connection.

I stuck up for Hodgson based on his time at Fulham and what he managed with a mediocre side but also said on the forum more than once that after the WC another poor tournament this time (duly delivered) and he should go

 

[Fish]

Seems to me there isn't an English candidate with the credentials to deliver a trophy win, which seems to be the expectation level for England. You need to go foreign, even though that didn't work brilliantly in the past.

To be honest, if you could do foreign players too that would help!

What credentials are required over and above what other previous managers had who were given the job?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Didn't Hodgson drop Rooney during this tournament? And he's what you'd call a yes man.

Wasn't that "rested" as opposed to dropping from a squad based on performance? Perhaps if we found someone brave enough to drop some of those not doing it, we may get a side that wants to and is capable of playing and can string more than two passes together in a forward direction.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Seems to me there isn't an English candidate with the credentials to deliver a trophy win, which seems to be the expectation level for England. You need to go foreign, even though that didn't work brilliantly in the past.

To be honest, if you could do foreign players too that would help!

Think you are spot on in regards English candidates

Going foreign worked with Sven to a point - he created a good team who did reach good levels and played well - Capello is a different matter

If Klinsmann isn't on the Radar then spend millions and look towards someone like Pochetino and then give him time

 

[FairwayDodger]

What credentials are required over and above what other previous managers had who were given the job?

None. I just can't think of any current English managers who have achieved the sort of things in the game that the likes of Robson, venables and, dare I say it, hodgson had. You don't seem to have any managers of that stature left, just look at all your top clubs going foreign.

 

[Snelly]

The problem is more complex than the managers obviously. Fans, media, pundits, coaches, players, agents, money, lack of vision etc etc all contribute to an environment that is counter productive to a successful national side.

This can be contrasted with cricket and rugby in England where the highest priority is the national side and all clubs are compliant and supportive to the shared vision from those that lead the game and set the agenda.

Football is divided and corrupt and run by various cabals with differing levels of incompetence.

Nothing will change. Too many vested interests with their snouts in the trough.


All that said, I think Neil Warnock would do an excellent job at cutting through some of the baggage and would push the players to play for the shirt with positivity.

Hoddle and Southgate would be more of the same. Barely valiant failure.

 

[Crazyface]

I've put my name forward, with my FA Level one coach certificate, I'm more qualified than Woy judging by his team selection and substitution choices. I'll need a back up team though. Any who thinks Hart, Stirling or Sturridge should ever pull on the shirt again need not apply.