New Prime Minister.

[Tashyboy]

Cameron has made the EU vote a confidence issue, the nation and his party's confidence. If he loses, he can't go on.

Boris has also shown himself to be a cynical triangulating politician in his decision to back Brexit, which he only did after assessing the chances of success and the cost of failure, which is less than for Cameron. Nobody thinks he is stupid, but he often acts like an idiot, and his private life is not what the Tories want to see on the front pages. I think Boris has damaged his credibility with his cynical choice of side.

Y2K and Brexit are so different that a comparison is specious, except for the unhelpful point that we didn't know what might have happened in either case until after. A political position of 'the roof might not fall in' isn't really a very wise one.

Out of interest Ethan, although some of your posts have wound me up, I actually find a lot of of them them quite educational. Where do you stand re in or out. Open or pm either way I would be interested. Cheers me man.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

I would give full handicap allowance in all competitions/formats but I would deport Piers Morgan and....... Katie Hopkins. Is that enough to make me a compromise candidate? There are a number of other people I would deport but I don't want to use all of my powder at this stage.

Hopkins would need to be publicly hung during the Conservative leader selection process. In fact, the winner gets to throw the lever as a prize.

 

[Ethan]

Out of interest Ethan, although some of your posts have wound me up, I actually find a lot of of them them quite educational. Where do you stand re in or out. Open or pm either way I would be interested. Cheers me man.

I am definitely voting to stay in, and the only part of that position that concerns me is if anyone thinks that is even remotely connected to Cameron's pitiful attempt to negotiate with the EU. I see the EU as much more than a trading bloc. I like European regulation of medicines, environmental issues, worker protection (such as hours, maternity rights etc) and think the argument about UK laws being made by unelected Brussels bureaucrats, or whatever the current spiel is, is demonstrably untrue. Some, but not all, of the Brexit position is based on a Little Englander and xenophobic (the two not being the same) thinking that I just don't get.

On the practical side, I think that if contemplating a big change, even from something which is not satisfactory, the burden of proof is on those who want the change. The Brexit side have simply have painted vague pictures of a post-Brexit world based on pandering to a sense of national pride - Make Britain Great again, as Donald Trump might put it, it couldn't be any worse, look at Norway etc etc, none of which actually have any substance behind them.

A simpler way to look at it is that Ian Duncan Smith is for it, I am going to be against it.

 

[Hobbit]

I am definitely voting to stay in, and the only part of that position that concerns me is if anyone thinks that is even remotely connected to Cameron's pitiful attempt to negotiate with the EU. I see the EU as much more than a trading bloc. I like European regulation of medicines, environmental issues, worker protection (such as hours, maternity rights etc) and think the argument about UK laws being made by unelected Brussels bureaucrats, or whatever the current spiel is, is demonstrably untrue. Some, but not all, of the Brexit position is based on a Little Englander and xenophobic (the two not being the same) thinking that I just don't get.

On the practical side, I think that if contemplating a big change, even from something which is not satisfactory, the burden of proof is on those who want the change. The Brexit side have simply have painted vague pictures of a post-Brexit world based on pandering to a sense of national pride - Make Britain Great again, as Donald Trump might put it, it couldn't be any worse, look at Norway etc etc, none of which actually have any substance behind them.

A simpler way to look at it is that Ian Duncan Smith is for it, I am going to be against it.

In your opinion.

Im voting out. Call me stupid, or a Little Englander, or whatever. I'm voting out because of self determination. You have your opinion of why you're voting in, and I have no problem with that at all. I respect it, and you for the reasoned judgement you are making.

How about a bit of common decency, even if you fundamentally disagree? If you aren't capable of that maybe it says something about you...

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Theresa May is perhaps the only one with the clout and respect of much of the party

 

[Tashyboy]

I am definitely voting to stay in, and the only part of that position that concerns me is if anyone thinks that is even remotely connected to Cameron's pitiful attempt to negotiate with the EU. I see the EU as much more than a trading bloc. I like European regulation of medicines, environmental issues, worker protection (such as hours, maternity rights etc) and think the argument about UK laws being made by unelected Brussels bureaucrats, or whatever the current spiel is, is demonstrably untrue. Some, but not all, of the Brexit position is based on a Little Englander and xenophobic (the two not being the same) thinking that I just don't get.

On the practical side, I think that if contemplating a big change, even from something which is not satisfactory, the burden of proof is on those who want the change. The Brexit side have simply have painted vague pictures of a post-Brexit world based on pandering to a sense of national pride - Make Britain Great again, as Donald Trump might put it, it couldn't be any worse, look at Norway etc etc, none of which actually have any substance behind them.

A simpler way to look at it is that Ian Duncan Smith is for it, I am going to be against it.

Cheers mah man 👍

 

[SocketRocket]

In your opinion.

Im voting out. Call me stupid, or a Little Englander, or whatever. I'm voting out because of self determination. You have your opinion of why you're voting in, and I have no problem with that at all. I respect it, and you for the reasoned judgement you are making.

How about a bit of common decency, even if you fundamentally disagree? If you aren't capable of that maybe it says something about you...

A very good response to another bigoted post by Ethan. Rather than showing a modicum of understanding to anyone who dares hold a different view; he attacks them with a vitriolic tirade of insults that suggests they must be mentally disarranged or subnormal to hold beliefs he disagrees with.

Ethan; try going for the ball rather than the man. You would get a bit more respect if able to focus your arguments on the issues rather than opponents intellect.

 

[SocketRocket]

Theresa May is perhaps the only one with the clout and respect of much of the party

Dont you think that she would find it difficult to hold confidence of the party after moving from a position where she had been seen as Eurosceptic to a supporter of the 'Stay' group.

 

[palindromicbob]

Let BoJo have it. Be nice to be entertained while the ships sinks.

 

[Oxfordcomma]

A very good response to another bigoted post by Ethan. Rather than showing a modicum of understanding to anyone who dares hold a different view; he attacks them with a vitriolic tirade of insults that suggests they must be mentally disarranged or subnormal to hold beliefs he disagrees with.

Ethan; try going for the ball rather than the man. You would get a bit more respect if able to focus your arguments on the issues rather than opponents intellect.

SR, I don't get this? I'm reading Ethan's post, which hasn't been edited as far as I can see, and all I can see is that he is actually playing the ball here? Certainly not being bigoted or going after people? Seems to me that you might be guilty of playing the man yourself?

Going back to the OP, I really have no idea who it would be and I think those saying that someone will come up from nowhere might have it right. If the Leave vote wins, Osborne will be a non-starter and Boris is the starting favourite but I do think the amiable buffoon image that he has carefully cultivated will count against him when it comes to the Tory Party asking themselves if they really want him as leader.

 

[User62651]

Theresa May seems to be the obvious candidate, however she looks permanently tired now, don't know how she'd cope with the top job. Hammond or Fallon might try and I'd expect Nicky Morgan to have a go. Osbourne is holed beneath the water now and Johnson isn't prime minister material and has never been a govt minister (only a shadow one in oppostion).

 

[SocketRocket]

SR, I don't get this? I'm reading Ethan's post, which hasn't been edited as far as I can see, and all I can see is that he is actually playing the ball here? Certainly not being bigoted or going after people? Seems to me that you might be guilty of playing the man yourself?

What do you call this then? "Some, but not all, of the Brexit position is based on a Little Englander and xenophobic (the two not being the same) thinking that I just don't get"

 

[Oxfordcomma]

What do you call this then? "Some, but not all, of the Brexit position is based on a Little Englander and xenophobic (the two not being the same) thinking that I just don't get"

Well, I'd say that the opening phrase "Some, but not all" says it pretty clearly? He's right, some people are making their decisions based on xenophobia, but that's not to say that everyone is.

 

[SocketRocket]

Well, I'd say that the opening phrase "Some, but not all" says it pretty clearly? He's right, some people are making their decisions based on xenophobia, but that's not to say that everyone is.

Some, but not all, of the 'Stay' position is based on a Big Brother Europe and xenophobic (the two not being the same) thinking that I just don't get.

OK then?

 

[Oxfordcomma]

Some, but not all, of the 'Stay' position is based on a Big Brother Europe and xenophobic (the two not being the same) thinking that I just don't get.

OK then?

We're on the wrong thread to get into that I think! This one is about who would replace Cameron if he ends up on the losing side. My point was just that I didn't think Ethan's post was pointing fingers or calling names at all, but you said "attacks them with a vitriolic tirade of insults"

 

[Ethan]

A very good response to another bigoted post by Ethan. Rather than showing a modicum of understanding to anyone who dares hold a different view; he attacks them with a vitriolic tirade of insults that suggests they must be mentally disarranged or subnormal to hold beliefs he disagrees with.

Ethan; try going for the ball rather than the man. You would get a bit more respect if able to focus your arguments on the issues rather than opponents intellect.

Oh for Christs sake, someone asked me what I thought so I answered. My opinion is no more bigoted than yours. My answer didn't attack anyone but yours did. You are just a hypocrite just looking for an argument.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Oh for Christs sake, someone asked me what I thought so I answered. My opinion is no more bigoted than yours. My answer didn't attack anyone but yours did. You are just a hypocrite just looking for an argument.

And so yesterday we have Boris on Obama. In the context of the referendum not only was what he said nonsense - but he didn;t need to say it. Because in the wider context of UK-US relationships (and Boris keeps telling us how a Brexitted UK would have no problems negotiating preferential trade and security deals with the US) what he said was just a stupid thing to say - and can only undermine US-UK relationships.

Sorry Boris - you might think (or think the UK public wants to hear you say) that President Obama is a hypocrite - but have you no thoughts about what he and the Democrats might think about you saying it - and might remember you saying this sort of thing were you to roll up to the White House seeking to negotiate deals or support on security matters?

Well done Boris - good show.

 

[Hobbit]

And so yesterday we have Boris on Obama. In the context of the referendum not only was what he said nonsense - but he didn;t need to say it. Because in the wider context of UK-US relationships (and Boris keeps telling us how a Brexitted UK would have no problems negotiating preferential trade and security deals with the US) what he said was just a stupid thing to say - and can only undermine US-UK relationships.

Sorry Boris - you might think (or think the UK public wants to hear you say) that President Obama is a hypocrite - but have you no thoughts about what he and the Democrats might think about you saying it - and might remember you saying this sort of thing were you to roll up to the White House seeking to negotiate deals or support on security matters?

Well done Boris - good show.

Exactly, well done Boris. The guy might be a bumbling idiot but even they can be right occasionally. I have a lot of respect for Obama, but not on this issue. Could you see the Americans taking kindly to rulings from Mexico?

Just occasionally we should be a lap dog to the U.S. and all they want.

 

[SocketRocket]

Oh for Christs sake, someone asked me what I thought so I answered. My opinion is no more bigoted than yours. My answer didn't attack anyone but yours did. You are just a hypocrite just looking for an argument.

I never disputed the fact that you answered a question, I rather pointed out that your answer was much to your standard form where it suggests anyone with a different view to yours is stupid. In this case you say 'using xenophobic thinking'.

 

[MegaSteve]

A vote for 'Brexit' leaving the Tories in total disarray would be a win double for me :thup:...


Can't see BJ getting the gig... As the blue rinse brigade, that populate the Con clubs, and love Boris to bits don't get to vote in any leadership poll..