New Golf Thinking opportunity - the lucky 8 are....

Hobbit said:
Is it relevant for every standard of golfer? I'm not the longest or the straightest, many off higher h'caps are longer, but I'd be inclined to say many higher handicappers lose out through poor thought processes and course mgt. Have a clear mind on what you want to achieve, and be realistic. Be clear on what your strengths are, and play to them.

Back of the green or middle or...? I always look for the yardage for the back of the green, and then eliminate the iron that would go over the back. The second calculation is what trouble is at the front. Having eliminated both of those, I can then decide if going for the flag brings either of those back into the calculation. Stay away from rubbish = stay away from bogies. Simples!
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I was probably the highest handicapper there and Pie Man or Jezz were the lowest I think. And it will certainly help me in some areas, and I think Pie Man has said it helped him as well. So the answer is yes. Also don;t get too hung up on the hitting it past the hole thing. That was just one thing to think about for one of the areas people may need some help with.

It was covered in some detail in the morning and is probably one of the easiest things to remember and implement, which is why several people have mentioned it. But there were many more things on the day and in the book that may be more relevant to other areas where people may struggle.
 
Is it just me or maybe just how it is coming across from those that attended but is there actually little new in this? Replace negative thoughts with positive ones (i assume you were actually given a method as this can be far easier said than done for some of us), try and get the ball past the hole etc are hardly ground breaking ideas or am I missing something.

Was hoping to read great things about a new approach but doesnt seem to be one, no doubt Ill try and read the book at the moment but sadly in no rush to do so :(
 
Liverpoolphil said:
"New Thinking" ?! - sounds more like "Too Much Thinking"

You say it's not about ball striking yet talk about helping "mis hit" shots ?!

And instead of taking the wrong clubs maybe people should learn about taking the "right" clubs

And as for "is it just your posts"

My first post was actually in response to Vrkup which you responded too
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And just like Aimpoint and a load of other stuff, if it doesn't fit in with your way of doing things it must be wrong
 
HomerJSimpson said:
And just like Aimpoint and a load of other stuff, if it doesn't fit in with your way of doing things it must be wrong
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When did I mention anything about something being "wrong" ?

As Fundy has said this doesn't appear any different regardless of what words are being used in this "New thinking"

Think positive - simple as that

Hit to a target you feel confident hitting towards - simple

If you wish to make the game more complicated then away you go - golf is as simple as you can get and it's only a game that life doesn't depend upon

Hit ball , walk , hit ball again , smile laugh enjoy drink :thup:
 
HomerJSimpson said:
And just like Aimpoint and a load of other stuff, if it doesn't fit in with your way of doing things it must be wrong
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MPA Homie....... you're focusing on the negative. It really doesn't matter if Phil or Fundy, or anyone, else does or doesn't believe it will help them, or thinks there's nothing new, or disagrees with what you say. It was all about what works for you, what will help you.

Next time I play in a pro-am with Phil, if it gets us the extra shot so we don't lose on count back, he'll be more than happy with it.
 
need_my_wedge said:
MPA Homie....... you're focusing on the negative. It really doesn't matter if Phil or Fundy, or anyone, else does or doesn't believe it will help them, or thinks there's nothing new, or disagrees with what you say. It was all about what works for you, what will help you.

Next time I play in a pro-am with Phil, if it gets us the extra shot so we don't lose on count back, he'll be more than happy with it.
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We're asking for you to tell us why its different, new, why we should go and buy the book. I need help in this part of the game, happy to admit so, but if you read back over the posts from those who attended you are telling us very little along these lines!
 
I fear that in trying to give you a snapshot of the day we are doing the whole process a disservice
It's impossible to convey the content accurately without referring to the book. And it won't make sense unless you actually buy the book.

If after that it doesn't work, then that's the time to criticise, however criticising at this point without reading the book is a bit like being an unmarried marriage councillor .

GM are supporting this in a big way, so give it a chance
 
Liverpoolphil said:
When did I mention anything about something being "wrong" ?

As Fundy has said this doesn't appear any different regardless of what words are being used in this "New thinking"

Think positive - simple as that

Hit to a target you feel confident hitting towards - simple

If you wish to make the game more complicated then away you go - golf is as simple as you can get and it's only a game that life doesn't depend upon

Hit ball , walk , hit ball again , smile laugh enjoy drink :thup:
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If that is your attitude then fair enough. It's just that just about every top sports person or athlete uses techniques to help them with the mental side of any sport nowadays. And all this book is is trying to do this in a simple accessible way for the amateur golfer.

As for the quote that golf is as simple as you can get then I'd argue that there are more instances of golfers messing up because of mental issues rather than technical issues than in any other sport.

How many times have you heard of top footballers suddenly being unable to kick a ball, or top tennis players suddenly not being able to serve? And how many top golfers have had the yips or have plummeted down or risen up the rankings dramatically? You telling me that none of that is down to the mental side of the game?
 
fundy said:
Is it just me or maybe just how it is coming across from those that attended but is there actually little new in this? Replace negative thoughts with positive ones (i assume you were actually given a method as this can be far easier said than done for some of us), try and get the ball past the hole etc are hardly ground breaking ideas or am I missing something.

Was hoping to read great things about a new approach but doesnt seem to be one, no doubt Ill try and read the book at the moment but sadly in no rush to do so :(
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In some ways I agree.. I understand that there is relatively few 'new' things, but I was hoping that there is a 'process' for getting into a MP-A that I could pick on. I guess I am an engineer who needs a process.

New thing is easier to do with technology (e.g. Speed Pocket) or process (e..g Aimpoint), but a lot more difficult with mental side of thing. Which is why most on the forum understand but may not agree with the 'aim for the back', '4 feet hole' etc but find it difficult to understand how to get to the MP-A or B or C... etc
 
fundy said:
Is it just me or maybe just how it is coming across from those that attended but is there actually little new in this? Replace negative thoughts with positive ones (i assume you were actually given a method as this can be far easier said than done for some of us), try and get the ball past the hole etc are hardly ground breaking ideas or am I missing something.

Was hoping to read great things about a new approach but doesnt seem to be one, no doubt Ill try and read the book at the moment but sadly in no rush to do so :(
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I think more than one of us said that there was a lot to cover, and it was difficult to put into words :) I'm sure that much of it has been said before, maybe in different ways, maybe the same way? Part of the day was about how to affirm the thoughts and apply to every shot, not just think them for two shots and then forget them after you hit two duffers. Even to apply them to everyday life. Essentially it was a day with a positive thinker, the long and the short being that not everyone is a positive thinker, and those that are, may not be able to do it all the time. I don't think you'll get what you want from this thread because it relies on us extracting the salient points and presenting them in the same manner as John O'Keeffe did for us, and that's not going to happen.

Personally, I found a couple of points that made sense, that I am going to try and focus on for myself over the next month or so. Set a mindset and see whether it does or doesn't improve my play. in fact, if I'd thought of it like this on Tuesday, I may well have had a better round.
 
fundy said:
We're asking for you to tell us why its different, new, why we should go and buy the book. I need help in this part of the game, happy to admit so, but if you read back over the posts from those who attended you are telling us very little along these lines!
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Well we could spend time working out exactly what areas you need help with, is it that you need to bounce back more, do you need to have more of a can do attitude, do you need to clear your head etc etc (as there are a few more areas). Then once we have done that then we could then go through some simple exercises, techniques and things to think about on the golf course to help you in that specific area.

Or it would be a lot easier to but the book. ;)
 
take the longer club AND miss left or right ? where are you then? there are pluses and minuses to it all.


leavening 30 foot putts is putting big pressure of your putting. not the best move for those with a nervous disposition.


always putting chips 5 foot past the hole? bonkers. you may hole the odd one doing this but leave yourself many many slippery sliding putts downhill. not for me ! if my brain is in gear ill try and leave an uphill putt!
 
Hacker Khan said:
If that is your attitude then fair enough. It's just that just about every top sports person or athlete uses techniques to help them with the mental side of any sport nowadays. And all this book is is trying to do this in a simple accessible way for the amateur golfer.

As for the quote that golf is as simple as you can get then I'd argue that there are more instances of golfers messing up because of mental issues rather than technical issues than in any other sport.

How many times have you heard of top footballers suddenly being unable to kick a ball, or top tennis players suddenly not being able to serve? And how many top golfers have had the yips or have plummeted down or risen up the rankings dramatically? You telling me that none of that is down to the mental side of the game?
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Top sport people etc play the sport to earn themselves a living - they will try anything to give themselves an edge

Yes I believe Golf is simple - but it's made complicated by golfers "thinking" too much about it.

Why does someone get the yips ? Is that a method problem or mental ? Shanks - mental or physical ?

For me they would be physical problems. As with footballers etc sports people lose form , they have the natural ability but it doesn't always happen each time they play.

The mental side is all about a person confidence - a very confident player will play to his best ability more of the time IMO where as someone lacking confidence will be the opposite. That IMO could be solve by more "positive thinking" but that's not new
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yes I believe Golf is simple - but it's made complicated by golfers "thinking" too much about it.
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I'd argue that it's not the 'thinking' that is the problem, but thinking the wrong things that is more of an issue. Which is kind of what the book is about.
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'd argue that it's not the 'thinking' that is the problem, but thinking the wrong things that is more of an issue. Which is kind of what the book is about.
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For me the right thing to think is - just hit the thing :thup:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Top sport people etc play the sport to earn themselves a living - they will try anything to give themselves an edge

Yes I believe Golf is simple - but it's made complicated by golfers "thinking" too much about it.

Why does someone get the yips ? Is that a method problem or mental ? Shanks - mental or physical ?

For me they would be physical problems. As with footballers etc sports people lose form , they have the natural ability but it doesn't always happen each time they play.

The mental side is all about a person confidence - a very confident player will play to his best ability more of the time IMO where as someone lacking confidence will be the opposite. That IMO could be solve by more "positive thinking" but that's not new
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Totally agree Phil, but once you have got to this position its not a case of just being able to stop thinking too much (oh i wish it was). Just be grateful you have an approach where this doesnt affect you and you need to address it. Oh and try and stay that way for as long as you can!
 
pokerjoke said:
Surely though Martin one of these processes must heed results.
For any idea to become successful it has to produce results,
Then others will believe it and possibly embrace it.
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I got in a lot of trouble asking for results last time :mmm:
 
fundy said:
Totally agree Phil, but once you have got to this position its not a case of just being able to stop thinking too much (oh i wish it was). Just be grateful you have an approach where this doesnt affect you and you need to address it. Oh and try and stay that way for as long as you can!
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Have a round with me and I'll make you switch off :D
 
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