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how many people do you know that have to hack out from behind trees?
Everyone, regardless of handicap.
how many people do you know that have to hack out from behind trees?
I'm not saying you don't need good short game skills. I'm saying that this culture of short game, short game, short game is wrong imo. butch harmon said for good golfers the most important clubs are your driver and putter. if you can do well in those two areas then its all down hill.
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This question can be answered lots of different ways depending on a) handicap and b) current strengths and weaknesses.
For me, it's keeping the ball in play off the tee and not putting myself in horror situations with approach shots. If my bad tee shots still give me a shot at the green, and missed greens leave me a reasonable chip, then I'll score ok.
Putting is the most important part of the game,
Pros usually average between 60-65% fairways hit, GIR about 70-80% and about 28-29 putts whereas I bet your average amateur struggles to average 36 putts. Sure they're % of fairways/greens will be much lower however it is much easier to reduce the amount of putts you have than to all of a sudden start hitting the ball much straighter and further. also nobody likes to play against a good putter in matchplayIts important, but fact is we (say moderately competent club golfers) are closer to pros in terms of putting stats than we are off the tee. PGA putting stats......c 54% success from 8'. What would your % be from 8'......could be 20-25% maybe, so not disasterous.
Off the tee, our fairways hit will be much lower than Pros....the best achieve 70% and similar GIRs %. Thats way better than most on the forum, AND they are hitting much further too (apart from the few 300 yard averagers on here)
So using the earlier analogy of that round with a pro, if you play tee to green leaving the pro to putt for you, suspect you would not shoot that many less than your handicap. You would need to hit your shots close to make a real difference in scoring.
If I took all the putts and "my" pro played the rest I would probably shave 10+ shots off, as their approaches would leave short putts on many holes and GIR would be way higher than I achieve.
Accept it does vary according to the course too, as some courses will be much more forgiving on wayward tee shots.
Also if I was only making 20-25% of putts from 8' I'd be seriously spending hours on the putting green doing drills lol if I have any more than 29 putts I'm always kicking myself
Don't mind playing a good putter, especially if it's taken him 5 to get to the green.....😁
Are you talking about Fragger again?
Really I think most pro golfers playing well average 27-28 putts per round, also I'm playing on smaller slower greens with less slope than on the pga tour hence why I'm not a tour pro and also the fact I only average 13 greens per round. 24 putts is my lowest and 11 putts is my lowest for 9 holesWow........just looked up the YTD PGA stats. Only the top 69 have averaged less than 29 putts per round, so your putting must be better than the vast majority on tour!!!!!!!!!!
yep, even the top pro's don't have anything like that many GIR in a round
To score well everything has to come together. It's a chicken and egg thing and if you can't find the short grass regularly off the tee you'll never score well but if you can't hit greens you'll need a stellar short game to rescue you. Personally I think being able to hole 2-3 footer regularly is vital and takes a lot of pressure off the short game if you can give yourself a margin of error and be confident holing out