Mizuno Iron Fitting - Not your usual story....

[Alex1975]

Hi All,

I went for my Mizuno iron fitting this morning, the fitter is my pro and we had started this process a month or more ago but I hit the ball so badly we could not see the wood for the trees. I shall focus on shafts as I knew from earlier test and owning JPX 800 Pro that I would be going for 825 Pro. It is worth saying at this point that the 825 non pro is a really well put together head for those in the market for GI clubs.

So a quick warm up, I had already warmed up at home so it was just a few balls with my own 6 iron and then onto the DNA club. They have made changes to the DNA club this year, it is longer so that if you are tall you can use all the grip, the length are marked on the grip, it also is not a random bladed head, you fit the head you are buying to the shaft.

I hit my 3 shots and got a shock result!!



86 MPH - 89 MPH - 84 MPH average 86 MPH, the other stats are in the image above but with a very quick tempo

The suggested shafts were Dynamic Gold X100 - Project X 6 and KBS Tour X Flex.

My pro/the fitter congratulated me on how well I was swinging cleared the screen and asked me to start again... And so he should, I knew and he knew that non of those shafts were going to be any good for me.

I hit 3 more shots:



83 MPH - 84 MPH - 85 MPH average 84 MPH, same quick tempo and now the shafts were:

Dynamic Gold S300 - Project X 6 - KBS Tour S.

I tried the DG and it was too heavy and boardy for me, I could feel it and he could see it, the ball flight showed it.
I then tried the PX 5.5 (the shaft I use and love) and it was longer and more accurate.
The KBS Tour S was nice, not dissimilar to the PX 5.5, launched a touch higher and was a touch less accurate.

After a chat and some more shots my pro agreed that the PX was the best for me and we were about to move on to loft, lie and grips. I said I was interested to hit the Dynamic Gold SL S300, I commented "It does not come up alot does it" he said he had never fitted it for anyone and the DNA had never suggested it do so. We stuck it in and it felt even more boardy than the DG S300, I struggled hard to get the ball moving at all.

Randomly he asked me to hit the R300 version, no idea why, I think he was just kind of interested in the shaft as I had showed nothing with the S300 that would give any signs of this being a way to go.

JACKPOT!! never hit a shaft like it, the ball was way longer, the first one I hit was a pull but carried 180 Yards the next 5 or 6 shots showed that this shaft really really helped me release, I was suddenly not fighting the club. To that point I had no idea I was fighting it but wow.

We both agreed, me as the player and him as the coach and fitter that the results were astounding, I was addicted to hitting it, it just felt so easy and natural, it was consistently longer and much tighter dispersion, knocking the flag down, well actually flying the flag.

Mizuno JPX 825 Pro - Dynamic Gold SL R300 - 1* Up - Standard Length - Blue Mizuno Multi compound grips.


So on that fitting I dropped 2 flexes and 35 odd grams.


I really enjoyed the fitting as did the fitter, it was one of those eureka moments for us both and he commented how much fun it was and how clear the result was.

Looking forward to them coming soon!!

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Result Buddy, arent you glad you gave up the smokes now?

 

[thecraw]

Swing DNA ia another talking mince shocker. No real surprise.

Glad you enjoyed your fitting and your pro is experienced enough to fit you by eye and knowledge.

 

[fundy]

Result Buddy, arent you glad you gave up the smokes now?

nah hes like a bear withg a sore head lol. Only joking Al lol, was good to get out this afternoon

 

[One Planer]

Nice write up Alex :thup:

I'm going to so something similar after mine Monday.

I play the R300 shaft and find it a truly excellent shaft. Yes it's heavy for a regular shaft but it gives a beautiful flight and feels really stable.

I fully expect to come away with R300 again on Monday. Light shafts don't suit me. The ball tends to go more up than forward. I found this moving from a 90g shaft to the R300 at 127g.

The other thing that sways it for me is your swing speed. I doubt Ill be anywhere near mid 80's and have a deliberate backswing and smooth tempo so I fully expect to come away with the same shafts, just in a slightly more forgiving head.

 

[Alex1975]

Swing DNA ia another talking mince shocker. No real surprise.

Glad you enjoyed your fitting and your pro is experienced enough to fit you by eye and knowledge.

The DNA is just a started for ten and I did hit the shots that would require a stout shaft, it's just that he and I knew that I would not be doing that every day. However I concede that the results were far from the DNA. I am still swinging at an average of 84 mph over 20 plus shots with a tempo of 7 out of 10 so flex is not the be all end end all.

 

[Wolfman]

I have the same clubs and shafts, my DNA swing speed was 75/80 mph
Tried the S300 and it was horrible in comparison to the R300 but my swing speed wasnt fast enough for the S300

Mine are 2 deg up, and i am 6ft tall
I also got MPT-4 wedges 52 and 58 but left them as std lie

 

[MikeTimbers]

Not to argue or anything but I'm dubious about this fitting stuff and I'll tell you why. Sitting comfortably?

So I'm in American Golf and they have a Trackman. I mention I might be interested in new irons (I have MP-52s, Dynamic Gold R300) and they dig out an 825Pro, stick a shaft in it with the Mizuno swing analyser thing and then start playing with shafts. Their analysis was that I need lighter shafts to straighten out my slight pull (consistently 3 yards left off straight).

But rather than fork out for a new set, I've chosen to invest a ton on four hours of lessons at Pedham Place on the A20/M25 junction and my new pro, Tim, has shown me that I have a whole host of small flaws that have crept into my game. Two hours of lessons later, a slight change to my take-away and quiet legs which reduce my backswing's length (and resulting overswing), and I'm hitting it straight again. Sure it will take a while to bed in but I'm feeling much better about sticking with my trusty clubs and fixing my actual faults rather than treating the symptoms.

Now that may not be true for everyone and not everyone can change their swing but buying new irons/shafts to correct swing faults seems to be the wrong process.

 

[Alex1975]

Nice write up Alex :thup:

I'm going to so something similar after mine Monday.

I play the R300 shaft and find it a truly excellent shaft. Yes it's heavy for a regular shaft but it gives a beautiful flight and feels really stable.

I fully expect to come away with R300 again on Monday. Light shafts don't suit me. The ball tends to go more up than forward. I found this moving from a 90g shaft to the R300 at 127g.

The other thing that sways it for me is your swing speed. I doubt Ill be anywhere near mid 80's and have a deliberate backswing and smooth tempo so I fully expect to come away with the same shafts, just in a slightly more forgiving head.

The SL is so low launching that it would be hard to balloon!

 

[DCB]

So I'm in American Golf and they have a Trackman.

Ah... there's your problem straight away

 

[DCB]

The SL is so low launching that it would be hard to balloon!

I wouldn't have said that the Dynamic Gold SL was a low launching shaft. True Temper themselves say it's a High Launch shaft.

 

[thecraw]

The DNA is just a started for ten and I did hit the shots that would require a stout shaft, it's just that he and I knew that I would not be doing that every day. However I concede that the results were far from the DNA. I am still swinging at an average of 84 mph over 20 plus shots with a tempo of 7 out of 10 so flex is not the be all end end all.

And if you went to someone who didn't know you, was only interested in a sale you'd have ended up with a set that was horrendously wrong. Its a dangerous tool.

 

[thecraw]

I wouldn't have said that the Dynamic Gold SL was a low launching shaft. True Temper themselves say it's a High Launch shaft.

It is a high launch shaft.

 

[One Planer]

The SL is so low launching that it would be hard to balloon!

Must be how you hit them :ears:

I know from experience light shafts aren't for me. I've never been fitted for a club in my life aside from my putter.

I don't even know what my swing speed is

The way I look at it now is the R300 gives me the flight and shape that suits me. They are a good club and a half longer than my previous shafts and feel really good.

Hav they give you a build time for your new shineys?

 

[Piece]

Its a dangerous tool.

No it's not. The only thing dangerous is believing it is the be-all and end-all in fitting. It's a guide and a starting guide only. The refinement comes from an experienced fitter and the client feedback. Trackman is just as 'dangerous' when shops 'juice up' the software inputs to give you a mythical 30yards to get the sale.

 

[Ethan]

Not to argue or anything but I'm dubious about this fitting stuff and I'll tell you why. Sitting comfortably?

So I'm in American Golf and they have a Trackman. I mention I might be interested in new irons (I have MP-52s, Dynamic Gold R300) and they dig out an 825Pro, stick a shaft in it with the Mizuno swing analyser thing and then start playing with shafts. Their analysis was that I need lighter shafts to straighten out my slight pull (consistently 3 yards left off straight).

But rather than fork out for a new set, I've chosen to invest a ton on four hours of lessons at Pedham Place on the A20/M25 junction and my new pro, Tim, has shown me that I have a whole host of small flaws that have crept into my game. Two hours of lessons later, a slight change to my take-away and quiet legs which reduce my backswing's length (and resulting overswing), and I'm hitting it straight again. Sure it will take a while to bed in but I'm feeling much better about sticking with my trusty clubs and fixing my actual faults rather than treating the symptoms.

Now that may not be true for everyone and not everyone can change their swing but buying new irons/shafts to correct swing faults seems to be the wrong process.

But you are not making a comment on fitting at all. That is like saying you went to a tailor for a tailor made suit, then you decided to go to the gym and cut out the pies, you lost a load of weight and the suit didn't fit any more! Fitting is not about buying clubs to correct faults. It is about getting clubs to suit your swing.

At any point in time, any given golf swing suits certain clubs and shafts more than others. Fitting is trying to find out what those are. Is that not better than buying blind? Obviously if your swing changes, your fitting needs might also change. Those lessons might make your need for a new fitting even greater.

 

[G1BB0]

so really then getting custom fit is a waste of time until a very competent golfer as the swing will change year on year due to practice and improvement for most average golfers!

it will suit the swing at that time but possibly wont in 6 - 12 months time depending on the individual

 

[kid2]

so really then getting custom fit is a waste of time until a very competent golfer as the swing will change year on year due to practice and improvement for most average golfers!

it will suit the swing at that time but possibly wont in 6 - 12 months time depending on the individual

Exactly what i was thinking G1bbo......To me a fitting is a moot point unless you hit the ball consistently well.....For the vast majority of us our swing change so much week to week that it would be practically impossible to fit it for clubs at any given time.....

 

[One Planer]

I think getting fit is a good idea at any stage.

Maybe not for specific shafts or anything technical but length and lie makes sense at any level IMHO

 

[Alex1975]

The Dynamic Gold SL is a high kick point low launch shaft that is designed to play exactly like the Dynamic Gold Shaft but is lighter.

The Dynalite Gold XP is a low kick point high launch shaft.... totally different.

I have a feeling you guys are mixing these two up.

I get what Craw is talking about and why he is saying that it is dangerous, If you go to AG and they use it as a way to make you feel good rather than taking the time to try the shafts that a fitting process and the accompanied conversations and feeling that go with that then it can be dangerous, Mizuno should be careful who they give them to and I think for the most part they are.

Ye Craw, I would have been dead in the water with an X. When my swing was really poor I could handle or muscle any shaft but as it makes it way towards being a golf swing I find myself being rather sensitive to shafts that are too stout for me.

I am not being custom fit to repair a swing fault, I am replacing a set of irons that has been used very hard and are looking tired, its time for new ones. Why would I then not buy the best fit ones for me now? it cost no more money! I could have gone to AG and picked them up off the shelf and they would not have been right for my frame, strength, good looks and large... you get what I am saying. I am being fitted with the guy who makes my swing, knows my swing so he knows what stats we are going to be working on. These shafts helped me release the club, they do not actually do it for me, they help me, who knows why, I would think weight but who cares why. When I pick them up I shall be having a lesson and checking the fit so this is very clearly the best way to buy clubs.