Masters possible unseen penalty

[NearHull]

Posted on Masters Thread .

On the 10th. Young in the woods. Caddy was behind him as Young took his stance, he lined Young up. The caddy then moved to the right by 1-2 yards but Young stayed in his stance. I think it is a general penalty because Young was lined up by the caddy who did then move, but Young did not come out of the stance and played his shot.
Maybe overlooked because we generally keep an eye out for that behaviour on the green but not in the rough. Hopefully, it will be addressed.

 

[irip]

Posted on Masters Thread .

On the 10th. Young in the woods. Caddy was behind him as Young took his stance, he lined Young up. The caddy then moved to the right by 1-2 yards but Young stayed in his stance. I think it is a general penalty because Young was lined up by the caddy who did then move, but Young did not come out of the stance and played his shot.
Maybe overlooked because we generally keep an eye out for that behaviour on the green but not in the rough. Hopefully, it will be addressed.

Phone them up and tell them.
Faldo can then name you as the eagle-eyed chap live on Sky Sports .

I haven’t noticed it to be honest but interested to see it.

 

[NearHull]

Phone them up and tell them.
Faldo can then name you as the grass live on Sky Sports .

I haven’t noticed it to be honest but interested to see it

I don’t think being called a ‘grass’ is appropriate on this Rules thread.

 

[irip]

I don’t think being called a ‘grass’ is appropriate on this Rules thread.

Apologies if any offence caused. I will edit it.
If a breach of the rules the appropriate penalty should be applied 100%.

 

[NearHull]

Thank you for the edit. ( and the pm)

I post it for general discussion because it is a rule not well understood at club level. And, I am a bit surprised that it wasn’t picked up by the commentators.


I don’t have enough tech knowledge on how to post a video clip of the incident shown on Sky. Anyone?

 

[backwoodsman]

Am intrigued as to what rule was being breached?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Am intrigued as to what rule was being breached?

Caddy lined the player up in their stance , not sure what the current rules are for that

 

[rulie]

Rule 10.2b. I saw that also, and it may have been missed or was part of the second bullet of 10.2b(4), Help Other than Aiming.

 

[NearHull]

Rule 10.2b. I saw that also, and it may have been missed or was part of the second bullet of 10.2b(4), Help Other than Aiming.

Could be. Help in watching the flight of the ball?

 

[Crazyface]

That's a rule!!!!!?

 

[Steven Rules]

In which round did this incident take place? Not the final round -
Young played the 10th in regulation on day 4. Not a tree in sight.

Can someone please let me know so I can go back and watch it?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

In which round did this incident take place? Not the final round -
Young played the 10th in regulation on day 4. Not a tree in sight.

Can someone please let me know so I can go back and watch it?

It was yesterday

 

[woofers]

It was the 9th hole.

https://thespun.com/golf/cam-young-accused-of-rules-violation-during-final-round-of-the-masters

 

[jim8flog]

Phone them up and tell them.
Faldo can then name you as the eagle-eyed chap live on Sky Sports .

I haven’t noticed it to be honest but interested to see it.

I thought the tours had made a decision to stop taking phone calls from 'video' spectators re rules infringements , apparently because they used to get so many.

 

[Steven Rules]

Thanks.9th hole, not 10th. Final round. I have now viewed the replay footage. I actually did see it happen live in real time but it didn't attract my attention from a Rules perspective at the time.

I agree that the indcident depicts a dubious practice.

As the player is taking his cramped stance under the tree, the caddie is behind but a yard or two off to the right.

Once in his stance, the player asks the caddie something (muffled audio in my version). The caddie then moves in directly behind the player and crouches down to check either that the player is aimed correctly, or (my initial impression) that the ball flight on that line is going to stay low enough to miss overhanging branches on the line of play. The player remains in his stance throughout this phase.

Once the player and caddie have agreed that the [whatever] is good, the caddie moves off again a yard or two to the right.

The player then makes the stroke and gets the ball out to the fairway. The player’s feet remained in the stance throughout. There was no backing away by the player.

The whole thing, - starting from when the player takes his stance, to the caddie moving in to check [something], then moving away, through to the player striking the ball - takes 22 seconds. It happens pretty quickly.

I don't think that what they are doing is anything to do with the second bullet point of 10 2b(4). (e.g.checking to see if the player’s club will hit a nearby tree during the backswing)

My assessment is that the caddie was checking either the aim or the projected ball flight on that line. As the player remained in that stance and didn't back away, that would be a breach of the first bullet point of 10.2b(4). Albeit an inadvertent or careless breach. They were so wrapped up in what they were doing that they forgot about the Rules in that moment.

The caddie must not stand in the restricted area to help the player with aiming.

 

[woofers]

So “There is no penalty if the caddie was inadvertently standing in the restricted area” could / would be applied to this situation?

 

[Steven Rules]

That is not how I see it. The breach was inadvertent, but the caddie standing in the restricted area to help with aiming was very deliberate and intentional.

 

[Slab]

I gather from info online (from Rory) that he was spoken to by officials (around the time he was taking 2nd shot on 13th hole) I assume it was related to this incident but not known for certain

 

[woofers]

That is not how I see it. The breach was inadvertent, but the caddie standing in the restricted area to help with aiming was very deliberate and intentional.

OK, thanks for the clarification, I’m keen to get a good knowledge of the rules.

 

[KenL]

I thought the tours had made a decision to stop taking phone calls from 'video' spectators re rules infringements , apparently because they used to get so many.

That was the right decision.