Marine A - Right or wrong?

[Robobum]

Sorry Paul but that's wrong and makes us no better than them even more so if your well aware of his actions - how on earth can he a hero when he did what he did

He acted like a coward and he knew the rules and he broke them - there is a line and you know full well that we don't cross the line - that is what is supposed to seperate us from them.

Why should he be protected when he has broken the Geneva Convention and Rules of Engagement

No someone doesn't have to do it at all - we all have to act within our guidelines.

It's the same with the QLR and their treatment of POWs - lots of outcry that they were heroes should be protected

Any other criminal activities should soldiers be able to commit and our government protects them ?

Coward!?

You must have spent a good deal of time with him to reach that conclusion.

 

[Dellboy]

He did wrong and he knew it, an unarmed man was on the floor dying but he instead of trying to help, even if it was in vain, he took out his pistol and murdered him in cold blood.

He should serve life for murder, simple as that.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry Paul but that's wrong and makes us no better than them even more so if your well aware of his actions - how on earth can he a hero when he did what he did

He acted like a coward and he knew the rules and he broke them - there is a line and you know full well that we don't cross the line - that is what is supposed to seperate us from them.

Why should he be protected when he has broken the Geneva Convention and Rules of Engagement

No someone doesn't have to do it at all - we all have to act within our guidelines.

It's the same with the QLR and their treatment of POWs - lots of outcry that they were heroes should be protected

Any other criminal activities should soldiers be able to commit and our government protects them ?

Wow, just wow, how dare you call him a coward! My definition of cowards were the guys in Afghan who took off their body armour and shot at it to make it look like they'd been fired at after the Taliban attacked the airfield.

 

[Val]

Disgraceful treatment of a hero, should be freed immediately.

100% agree. Disgusting treatment

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He did wrong and he knew it, an unarmed man was on the floor dying but he instead of trying to help, even if it was in vain, he took out his pistol and murdered him in cold blood.

He should serve life for murder, simple as that.

Very easy judgement to make sat in the UK and not on the Battlefield, he had been hit by an Apache helicopter, he was not recovering from his wounds, kill them before they kill us, that's simple.

 

[chrisd]

There is a book just released where a soldier talked about shooting a soldier who had all his lower intestines blown out and was laying mortally wounded and did the same thing. The point was that he was certain to die a slow agonising death and the special forces guy was being begged to do the best thing - he did and rightly so imo, how could get be guilty of murder?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Very easy judgement to make sat in the UK and not on the Battlefield, he had been hit by an Apache helicopter, he was not recovering from his wounds, kill them before they kill us, that's simple.

Which Rule of Engagement is that ?

Does being in a battlefield mean our military can ignore the rules and Geneva Convention

If he was being humane why did he say when he did when he shot him dead ?

What is the difference between what he did and the war crimes many dictators have done throughout history

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Which Rule of Engagement is that ?

You live in a very black and white world Phil with no grey areas. So the Taliban guy didn't have a rifle in his hands but I bet moments before he had with the intention of killing allied soldiers?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Which Rule of Engagement is that ?

Does being in a battlefield mean our military can ignore the rules and Geneva Convention

If he was being humane why did he say when he did when he shot him dead ?

What is the difference between what he did and the war crimes many dictators have done throughout history

Stick your rules of engagement were the sun don't shine, there's a time and place for rules to be broken, we are fighting an enemy who don't play by rules.
Not everything is black and white, we need people like him to do the dirty jobs that need doing.
Please feel free to post a reply when the Taliban recognise the Geneva Convention and abide by them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You live in a very black and white world Phil with no grey areas.

Sorry but spent 22 years having to work under the Rules of Engagement and Geneva Convention and it's there for a reason - 99% follow those rules and it ensures you are covered. You have to follow those rules to the letter - it ensures you act in the right way - there is no leeway from them. There is no grey area within the Rules Of Engagement

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Sorry but spent 22 years having to work under the Rules of Engagement and Geneva Convention and it's there for a reason - 99% follow those rules and it ensures you are covered. You have to follow those rules to the letter - it ensures you act in the right way - there is no leeway from them. There is no grey area within the Rules Of Engagement

And how much of that time was spent staring into the whites of enemy eyes while they pointed a weapon at you? Or were you in a 'safe' area away from conflict where you could weigh everything up before making a decision?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry but spent 22 years having to work under the Rules of Engagement and Geneva Convention and it's there for a reason - 99% follow those rules and it ensures you are covered. You have to follow those rules to the letter - it ensures you act in the right way - there is no leeway from them. There is no grey area within the Rules Of Engagement

I spent 36 years working under them and also had to knock on a front door 3 times and tell families their sons had been killed in Iraq and Afghan and another 4 times their sons and daughter were badly injured, if killing that enemy in that field saved one family in the UK, fantastic,
The man on the ground made a decision, we weren't there, so who are we to judge him.

 

[hovis]

so, your allowed to drop a predator missile on them whilst they, and their kids eat dinner but God forbid you walk up to one (after you already shot him once) and finish him off!!!!!!! crazy

 

[One Planer]

Just for clarification.

A highly trained, battle hardened, marine made a decision to neutrilase a combatant he deemed a threat on the battlefield under live fire.

I'm struggling to see the issue.

Could the combatant have a concealed weapon?

Could the combatant have been wearing a suicide vest?

We don't know and at the time I'm sure Marine A didn't either. IMO he did what he thought was best to neutralise a battlefield threat.

 

[Fish]

Sorry but spent 22 years having to work under the Rules of Engagement and Geneva Convention and it's there for a reason - 99% follow those rules and it ensures you are covered. You have to follow those rules to the letter - it ensures you act in the right way - there is no leeway from them. There is no grey area within the Rules Of Engagement

You didn't do enough front line tours to make that statement, the regiment and position you were in in the RAF for 22 years meant you did token/minimum tours and mainly in much safer areas as you weren't trained well enough to get really dirty, but when people like Marine A and other frontline regiments do tours 10/1 more than you within the same period I think you'll find that the 99% you state is nowhere near realistic, it wasn't 99% in the 4 full tours of NI I did during some of the worst troubles, it wasn't in the Falklands, Bosnia, Iraq and many more, some my government wouldn't even admit to sending me/us, so please, lets not read from the book in some ideological fantasy just because you did 22 years, of what I would think was mainly behind a desk!

And how much of that time was spent staring into the whites of enemy eyes while they pointed a weapon at you? Or were you in a 'safe' area away from conflict where you could weigh everything up before making a decision?

Not much.....even our light infantry regiments/battalions do much more than the RAF on the ground and even that is somewhat protected to the areas they are deployed for their own safety, even the cooks have to go out on tour, they've done 22 years also and have to do so much time on the ground to warrant their tour medal, but obviously nothing like the guys they feed, so in the grand scheme of things, the term of service means squat!

 

[hovis]

You didn't do enough front line tours to make that statement, the regiment and position you were in in the RAF for 22 years meant you did token/minimum tours and mainly in much safer areas as you weren't trained well enough to get really dirty, but when people like Marine A and other frontline regiments do tours 10/1 more than you within the same period I think you'll find that the 99% you state is nowhere near realistic, it wasn't 99% in the 4 full tours of NI I did during some of the worst troubles, it wasn't in the Falklands, Bosnia, Iraq and many more, some my government wouldn't even admit to sending me/us, so please, lets not read from the book in some ideological fantasy just because you did 22 years, of what I would think was mainly behind a desk!

light fuse at arms length and retreat to safe distance. 😀

this should get interesting

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You didn't do enough front line tours to make that statement, the regiment and position you were in in the RAF for 22 years meant you did token/minimum tours and mainly in much safer areas as you weren't trained well enough to get really dirty, but when people like Marine A and other frontline regiments do tours 10/1 more than you within the same period I think you'll find that the 99% you state is nowhere near realistic, it wasn't 99% in the 4 full tours of NI I did during some of the worst troubles, it wasn't in the Falklands, Bosnia, Iraq and many more, some my government wouldn't even admit to sending me/us, so please, lets not read from the book in some ideological fantasy just because you did 22 years, of what I would think was mainly behind a desk!



No much.....even our light infantry regiments/battalions do much more than the RAF on the ground and even that is somewhat protected to the areas they are deployed for their own safety, even the cooks have to go out on tour, they've done 22 years also and have to do so much time on the ground to warrant their tour medal, but obviously nothing like the guys they feed, so in the grand scheme of things, the term of service means squat!

You or indeed no one on here knows exactly what or where I have been or not been over the years of my career in the RAF and they certainly weren't 22 years behind a desk but I don't feel the need to discuss or disclose where I need or get into a peeing competition about various careers with the armed forces. My career and where I have been is not the discussion and certainly no one including yourself has the right to dismiss it or indeed attempt to belittle it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You or indeed no one on here knows exactly what or where I have been or not been over the years of my career in the RAF and they certainly weren't 22 years behind a desk but I don't feel the need to discuss or disclose where I need or get into a peeing competition about various careers with the armed forces. My career and where I have been is not the discussion and certainly no one including yourself has the right to dismiss it or indeed attempt to belittle it.

And yet you deem it OK to call Sgt Blackman a Coward, unbelievable!

 

[Robobum]

You didn't do enough front line tours to make that statement, the regiment and position you were in in the RAF for 22 years meant you did token/minimum tours and mainly in much safer areas as you weren't trained well enough to get really dirty, but when people like Marine A and other frontline regiments do tours 10/1 more than you within the same period I think you'll find that the 99% you state is nowhere near realistic, it wasn't 99% in the 4 full tours of NI I did during some of the worst troubles, it wasn't in the Falklands, Bosnia, Iraq and many more, some my government wouldn't even admit to sending me/us, so please, lets not read from the book in some ideological fantasy just because you did 22 years, of what I would think was mainly behind a desk!



Not much.....even our light infantry regiments/battalions do much more than the RAF on the ground and even that is somewhat protected to the areas they are deployed for their own safety, even the cooks have to go out on tour, they've done 22 years also and have to do so much time on the ground to warrant their tour medal, but obviously nothing like the guys they feed, so in the grand scheme of things, the term of service means squat!

Oh boy, do I like this post a lot

 

[Fish]

Sorry but spent 22 years having to work under the Rules of Engagement

You or indeed no one on here knows exactly what or where I have been or not been over the years of my career in the RAF and they certainly weren't 22 years behind a desk but I don't feel the need to discuss or disclose where I need or get into a peeing competition about various careers with the armed forces. My career and where I have been is not the discussion and certainly no one including yourself has the right to dismiss it or indeed attempt to belittle it.

This statement though say's otherwise, it gives the impression to those not knowing the roles of RAF personnel who were mainly in administration or training/computer roles that they played just as much an equal role and did as many tours in hot spots than those in other regiments like Marine A, which in simple terms is, utter garbage!

Now if you were in the RAF Regiment now that would be different, but I know you weren't just by looking at you and the opinions you give, I've met some of them and they were proper soldiers, akin to the Para's & Marine's.

A cook could come on here and make the same unqualified statement and attempt to back it up by stating they've done 22 years, that's no different to you IMO.

I'm not belittling anyone, but don't start turning into Walter Mitty!