Manchester Terrorist Attack!

[Smiffy]

Again throw them out to where ? Most of them are British Citizens ?

And they are repaying us how?
By spreading hatred and contempt for our country.
And please don't call it "their" country.
They are here by proxy.
Round the lot of them up, and get shot of them.
Or get them half way across the channel on an old ferry and torpedo the *******.
Because they are of no use to Britain.

 

[bobmac]

Now now Uncle Bob 

I'm serious.
If they are so keen to live under Shari Law, then they can't complain about being punished under their own rules.

 

[Kellfire]

There is absolutely no way to avoid these sorts of incidents completely unless we develop the ability to read minds.

Resorting to bully boy tactics where we deport anyone with a funny accent, brown skin or he refuses to bend the knee to the Union flag is empty rhetoric that always gets stirred up after such a terrible event.

The best thing we can do is continue to press for peace and help those who come from a different background to integrate into our country. People may well be hurt along the way but that is the way of the world. Some things are inevitable; you will NEVER expunge hate and fear from society. We can only try to minimize it through an inclusive attitude that seeks to learn and benefit from each other.

That may sound like idealistic nonsense but it's the truth.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I think sharia law should be banned here, our shores, our laws,

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Ok so please tell us what you would do, give us your views

I've gave my views a few times on this thread, we need to trust the security services, we need to resource them correctly.

I accept we will never ever catch or stop everyone, but we won't do that by mass deportations either.

We need to work together with all communities and instill that sense of right and wrong and tolerance through education.

The ones we get the evidence against I'd lock them up and throw away the key and for those who we catch who commit acts of terrorism I'd bring back hanging.

I have no issue with punishing people, but mass deportations or labelling certain sections in society with the same brush is a backward step to me.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

There is absolutely no way to avoid these sorts of incidents completely unless we develop the ability to read minds.

Resorting to bully boy tactics where we deport anyone with a funny accent, brown skin or he refuses to bend the knee to the Union flag is empty rhetoric that always gets stirred up after such a terrible event.

The best thing we can do is continue to press for peace and help those who come from a different background to integrate into our country. People may well be hurt along the way but that is the way of the world. Some things are inevitable; you will NEVER expunge hate and fear from society. We can only try to minimize it through an inclusive attitude that seeks to learn and benefit from each other.

That may sound like idealistic nonsense but it's the truth.

Well said :thup:

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Well I'm not talking about shooting people in the streets, but quite happy to start with all the people on the terrorist watch list.

There are there for a reason, round them up, deport any obvious ones, tag those who stay and watch them, any problems, chuck em out.

Law abiding peaceful citizens of whatever background have nothing to fear from this, but those who incite need to be booted out

Perfect. The EDL/BNP are also pretty good at inciting hatred. Where are we shipping them to?

There is some absolute nonsense being posted on this thread, and most of it is based around shipping out people they don't like. The best is "shipping out their families". Which is cool as a policy goes, as long as the same people don't mind being sent to prison because their cousin twice removed stole a mars bar.

This sort of issue can only be resolved by clever solutions thought through and not knee jerk reactions. And I sincerely doubt that "kicking everyone out" will ever be considered as a clever solution

 

[Val]

Boot them out to were? What if these countries we decide to send them to refuse to take them,

When did we decide to start judging people without evidence?

And again if we start booting people out we may as well ban all law abiding people from travelling abroad to any country we can't trust, because all you're doing is putting a big target on the backs of our citizens abroad.

Send them to Gruinard, keep them on the British Isles but where we tell them

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I think sharia law should be banned here, our shores, our laws,

Other than reading from the UKIP manual, what exactly about Sharia law do you have issues with? https://fullfact.org/law/uks-sharia-courts/

 

[SocketRocket]

Other than reading from the UKIP manual, what exactly about Sharia law do you have issues with? https://fullfact.org/law/uks-sharia-courts/

I have an issue because they exit at all. There is no room for any court or law other than the law of the land. Sharia is a tool that creates division and as such has no room in our country. Why do Muslims have a need for it if they are British.

 

[woody69]

Good to see how the anti-Muslim bigots are continuing to be "useful idiots" for ISIS. Fairly apparent with some of the responses in this thread.

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/24...nti-muslim-bigots-are-useful-idiots-for-isis/ - Good article. I get that a few people will bluster and moan at the premise of the article, because hey no one likes being called an idiot do they.

 

[SocketRocket]

Perfect. The EDL/BNP are also pretty good at inciting hatred. Where are we shipping them to?

There is some absolute nonsense being posted on this thread, and most of it is based around shipping out people they don't like. The best is "shipping out their families". Which is cool as a policy goes, as long as the same people don't mind being sent to prison because their cousin twice removed stole a mars bar.

This sort of issue can only be resolved by clever solutions thought through and not knee jerk reactions. And I sincerely doubt that "kicking everyone out" will ever be considered as a clever solution

Who's exaggerating now!

 

[SocketRocket]

I don't think resources are an issue, there's no way we are experiencing cut backs on national security activities like this imo.

We always seem to be able to piece everything together about individuals and all their movements and associations AFTER they have committed a terrorist act, so for me it's only our current laws that are not allowing us to arrest, hold, interrogate and imprison theses home grown trojans who come from families that mainly have come from the Middle East and have been known to travel back & forth, although their parents allegedly fled that country to live here in peace, so why do their children go back there if it's not to be trained in readiness of carrying out a terrorist act?

No amount of resources or extra intel can address this growing issue more than is what's being done now, it's a numbers game now as there are so many amongst us hiding behind the fact they have British passports and can move freely.

This is why there needs to be a change in passports or ID's so that everyone coming here to live from another country has a completely different, and imo, temporary residence passport so that movements of these people and their siblings which irrelevant of being born here, also have a different passport or ID so that when any member of that family commits an act of terrorism the whole family is removed.

I really don't care if it seems unjust, you've got to break the ranks from within and some siblings from a family may not agree with what they know is going on and intel could be gained to stop these attacks, but to not change anything within the fabric of our laws is no longer productive imo against this new growing threat from within.

I would now want if not insist all family members of the Manchester terrorist deported back to Libya from where there parents came from, irrelevant of any being born here, they all lost their rights to be British citizens and imo were all fully aware of his beliefs and potential actions.

Change is a dirty word for some, but sometimes it's necessary and that time is now! Its no good harping on about the past, or about Blairs war or anything or anyone in a past tense, this is happening now and isn't going away anytime soon, so our laws need changing now to protect our way of life so we can go about it freely without the fear that terrorism brings.

Good post .

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I have an issue because they exit at all. There is no room for any court or law other than the law of the land. Sharia is a tool that creates division and as such has no room in our country. Why do Muslims have a need for it if they are British.

Have you read my link? And actually read, as opposed to just opening it, thinking "pah, liberal rubbish", and closing it? I quote "Most are Sharia 'councils' set up to make decisions on purely religious matters, although there are some bodies that mix Sharia principles with legally binding arbitration. But none can overrule the regular courts." I don't see our courts ruling on detailed purely religious matters, do you?

Who's exaggerating now!

You've avoided reading the rest of this thread I assume then? To be fair, I wish I had as well.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Other than reading from the UKIP manual, what exactly about Sharia law do you have issues with? https://fullfact.org/law/uks-sharia-courts/

Please don't align me with ukip or any organisation, I'm just a bloke on a golf forum who is cheesed off with our inability to deal with this problem and is throwing out ideas that may be rubbish, may be good, but it makes me feel better.

My feeling towards sharia law is that the average person in the street knows nothing about it, it's public image (wrongly) is one of barbaric punishments which we see images of from abroad , it is immediately seen as devisive as it is one law for this community and one law for another.
So you can either educate the whole population , which comes over as advertising, or you do the simple thing and ban it.
Our laws are good enough for all people who live here.

And while I'm on about it, I'd ban the burka, (headscarves are fine),I'd ban segregation by sex in all schools including traditional all boys/girls schools.
Anybody who cannot speak English to be given lessons

All the above are barriers to integration, break down the barriers, kick out the haters and let the peaceful people live their lives

 

[Val]

Good to see how the anti-Muslim bigots are continuing to be "useful idiots" for ISIS. Fairly apparent with some of the responses in this thread.

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/24...nti-muslim-bigots-are-useful-idiots-for-isis/ - Good article. I get that a few people will bluster and moan at the premise of the article, because hey no one likes being called an idiot do they.

Interesting article for sure

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, whilst I can see your point, a line has been crossed, people born here, of immigrant parents who openly demonstrate against our way of life, have in my view, renounced their British citizenship.
They either integrate into British society and accept our way of life, or they are free to leave,
There can be no middle ground, yes it's not going to be easy, but unless the communities where these people live start outing those who are the problem, we need to start doing it ourselves.

The time to be politically correct has passed, we need a measured response that sends a message to the communities that we will not tolerate this type of hate crime on our shores .

So why when Irish Christians were killing innocents in this country was the response not the same ?

Yes people who commit acts of crime should be punished - if they are a British Citizen then they are punished under our laws and the laws they should abide by as a British Citizen - you can't remove their passport if born in this country and where exactly are they "going to be sent too" ?

As for "integration into British society" - what exactly does that actually mean ? Are they allowed to practise only Christianity ? They must speak English as a first language ? Only wearing English clothes ?

Surely as long as people act within the laws of the land then there is no issues - there are no doubt millions of non British leaving in perfect peace in the U.K. - non of the actions mentioned on here would have stopped what happened in Manchester

We don't tolerate what has happened - no one has even suggested that and I have no doubt the bombers know that - but they don't care. What is this "measured response"

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I'll just light another candle and have a quiet moment

It'll be fine after that

 

[Foxholer]

Well I'm not talking about shooting people in the streets, but quite happy to start with all the people on the terrorist watch list.

There are there for a reason, round them up, deport any obvious ones, tag those who stay and watch them, any problems, chuck em out.

Law abiding peaceful citizens of whatever background have nothing to fear from this, but those who incite need to be booted out

Sorry, but this is a classic over-reaction to an obscene terrorist incident!

The entire basis of UK/English Law would be undermined if what you suggest was implemented!

As for 'inciting'... There are already sufficient laws to cover real offenders. The ability to (peacefully) protest/demonstrate is a fundamental right and must be protected, otherwise the terrorists will have had a victory - by turning UK into a 'police state'!

It is up to Security Services/Police to gather evidence and establish a case to prosecute via laws already in existence! They DO have some fairly draconian powers - provided they can identify the possible perpetrators! I'm certain there'll be some 'reviewing' of how this incident wasn't caught - as there DID seem to be some flags raised! If it's a 'resources' issue, then that would seem to relatively easily addressed, though can never guarantee complete safety!

 

[bobmac]

As for 'inciting'... There are already sufficient laws to cover real offenders. The ability to (peacefully) protest/demonstrate is a fundamental right and must be protected, otherwise the terrorists will have had a victory - by turning UK into a 'police state'!

So you think the demonstration I linked to in post 129 should be allowed?