Madeleine McCann

[Ethan]

It's a very interesting case. Two British police dogs, who have never been wrong on over 200 occasions, detected traces of Madeline's dead body & blood in the apartment and in the back of the McCann's hire car. One of the dogs is so expert it is hired out to other police forces and earns more per annum than the Chief Constable! Also, there is a reliable witness who says he saw a person he's adamant was Gerry Mc.Cann carrying a child through the town after her disappearance. In addition, Kate McCann answered "no comment" to 48 questions put to her by the police when they were trying to find out what happened, ages before they were declared suspects. There are many other aspects of the Mc. Canns' behaviour that are hard to explain. I really don't know but there are many people who think that there is much more to this case than has so far come out.

And I did make my original post in response to someone who said that "no sane, rational person" would believe the parents were responsible for her disappearance. They may be wrong but a lot of them are sane & rational.

Looks like the bloodhounds had beaten the odds, assuming they did not have some sort of papal infallibility thing going on, so about time they got one wrong. You can only know the dogs were not wrong with a solved case. Was every single one of those cases solved? Remarkable. Incredible, even, in the literal rather than figurative meaning.

Did anyone mention a motive for the McCanns to do one (and only one) of their kids in? And presumably all their friends at the same resort were in on the conspiracy too?

I believe Kate McCann said no comment in response to questions because the Portuguese judicial system adopts an accusatory posture and regards those under questioning as suspects. Therefore, under legal advice, she refused to answer. Sounds quite sensible.

 

[NorfolkShaun]

I have to say I wonder if we will ever find out the truth in this day and age of surveillance and policing i'm amazed this has never been solved.

I did read about the dogs before and it really was quite interesting, maybe just a conspiracy however there record on detecting blood and bodies is quite amazing.

 

[pokerjoke]

Every time I see a picture of Madeline on the news or wherever I feel the need to give
my daughter a big cuddle as I see some similarities and I just want to hold her close.

Imo this is a case that will never be solved.
As has been said in this day and age with all the cctv how can she just disappear into thin air
with no sightings or trace.
Its so so tragic what happened to this little girl and even more tragic that we might never know.

 

[ManinBlack]

Looks like the bloodhounds had beaten the odds, assuming they did not have some sort of papal infallibility thing going on, so about time they got one wrong. You can only know the dogs were not wrong with a solved case. Was every single one of those cases solved? Remarkable. Incredible, even, in the literal rather than figurative meaning.

Did anyone mention a motive for the McCanns to do one (and only one) of their kids in? And presumably all their friends at the same resort were in on the conspiracy too?

I believe Kate McCann said no comment in response to questions because the Portuguese judicial system adopts an accusatory posture and regards those under questioning as suspects. Therefore, under legal advice, she refused to answer. Sounds quite sensible.

From what I have read the dogs have been "proved right" 100% of the time. Whether that means right every time of never proved wrong I'm not sure. And the police theory was that she died in an accidental fall & the parents covered it up. And it was two dogs, actually, not one. One detected a cadaver and one detected Maddie's blood. I don't know the answer, as I said before I was answering a "no sensible rational" person post. There are aspects of the behaviour of the parents and their friends that give rise to suspicion. I've read quite a lot about it ( almost as much as about Statins!) and there are sensible people, including the original investigating officer who have their doubts.

 

[Ethan]

From what I have read the dogs have been "proved right" 100% of the time. Whether that means right every time of never proved wrong I'm not sure. And the police theory was that she died in an accidental fall & the parents covered it up. And it was two dogs, actually, not one. One detected a cadaver and one detected Maddie's blood. I don't know the answer, as I said before I was answering a "no sensible rational" person post. There are aspects of the behaviour of the parents and their friends that give rise to suspicion. I've read quite a lot about it ( almost as much as about Statins!) and there are sensible people, including the original investigating officer who have their doubts.

You haven't read everything, then. These dogs have been shown to be fallible, and sniffer dogs in general are not considered to be foolproof, or even in some experts opinion, very reliable at all. Few scientific instruments are 100% accurate and the argument than one is should automatically raise suspicion. Moreso for organic instruments whether human or dog. The dogs did not detect a cadaver. That requires a cadaver to have been found. They reacted to something in the same way they previously reacted to cadavers.

Any time you examine an event of such heightened importance and extreme outcome, you will find anomalies. These are manna for conspiracy theorists but generally are just odd little unexplained factors or red herrings. Same goes for the moon landings, JFK, 9/11, you name it. But they are used to create a 'where there's smoke' situation and people who want to believe there has been another outcome flock to them on a tide of confirmation bias.

The conspiracy theorists would need to explain why these intelligent people would think they would need to conceal an accidental death and why they thought they could get away with disposing of their own kid's body without fear it would be found or that their story would crack under scrutiny. Presumably they also created this sighting of a suspicious lurker to throw others off the scent.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think they did it.

I can see how it could happen accidently but just can't see it fitting in with the other events that night

 

[ManinBlack]

You haven't read everything, then.

Funnily enough, no. If you had to absorb every bit of information on everything you'd never comment on anything. I can see how one dog could be an anomaly, but two is a big coincidence. The parents & their friends are Freemasons, well known for sticking together. Their behaviour, according to some has been suspicious.

 

[Swinger]

I can see how it could happen accidently but just can't see it fitting in with the other events that night

It's been a while since I looked in to this but found a good few sources which seem to make the time frames fit in. As with most things of this nature there are a few conflicting stories and opinions offered up to explain any gaps or parts that don't fit in to a particular story.
I find the whole story fairly bizzare and the media coverage it has had over the years only feeds my suspicion, a few times now the McCanns have come out with some new evidence or certain suspects which seem to coincide with attention turning back on them as suspects.
I don't know what happened and we will never know for certain save some death bed confession or some video footage coming to light.
From what I have read and seen they don't seem very trust worthy.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It's been a while since I looked in to this but found a good few sources which seem to make the time frames fit in. As with most things of this nature there are a few conflicting stories and opinions offered up to explain any gaps or parts that don't fit in to a particular story.
I find the whole story fairly bizzare and the media coverage it has had over the years only feeds my suspicion, a few times now the McCanns have come out with some new evidence or certain suspects which seem to coincide with attention turning back on them as suspects.
I don't know what happened and we will never know for certain save some death bed confession or some video footage coming to light.
From what I have read and seen they don't seem very trust worthy.

I think at this late stage unless a body is discovered or there is a confession and conviction from somewhere the answer may never be revealed and if they did it they'll keep it to the grave. Whether I trust them or not is tricky. I can't help feeling every time they are on TV it's as if they are on trial and so you can see why they are reticent to say anything less it gets misconstrued and twisted. Whether they did it, or it was a tragic accident I'm not sure but if it was an accident why didn't any of the other kids around say anything at the time or raise an alarm

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's been a while since I looked in to this but found a good few sources which seem to make the time frames fit in. As with most things of this nature there are a few conflicting stories and opinions offered up to explain any gaps or parts that don't fit in to a particular story.
I find the whole story fairly bizzare and the media coverage it has had over the years only feeds my suspicion, a few times now the McCanns have come out with some new evidence or certain suspects which seem to coincide with attention turning back on them as suspects.
I don't know what happened and we will never know for certain save some death bed confession or some video footage coming to light.
From what I have read and seen they don't seem very trust worthy.

100% see exactly where you are coming from mate

There are lots of stuff out there that doesnt match up and stuff that does match up

 

[ColchesterFC]

I think at this late stage unless a body is discovered or there is a confession and conviction from somewhere the answer may never be revealed and if they did it they'll keep it to the grave. Whether I trust them or not is tricky. I can't help feeling every time they are on TV it's as if they are on trial and so you can see why they are reticent to say anything less it gets misconstrued and twisted. Whether they did it, or it was a tragic accident I'm not sure but if it was an accident why didn't any of the other kids around say anything at the time or raise an alarm

You forgot the 3rd option which is that she was abducted, or have you dismissed that? I'm not saying you're wrong if you have but just wondered from your post whether that was what you meant.

My understanding of the "they accidentally killed her" theory was that they had been giving her medicine to help her sleep, as she'd been crying on previous nights, and they gave her too much. I'm not sure I buy that as they're doctors and surely couldn't have made that mistake.

 

[Swinger]

100% see exactly where you are coming from mate

There are lots of stuff out there that doesnt match up and stuff that does match up

Nice to see someone else can see the logic in my thinking! :thup:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

You forgot the 3rd option which is that she was abducted, or have you dismissed that? I'm not saying you're wrong if you have but just wondered from your post whether that was what you meant.

My understanding of the "they accidentally killed her" theory was that they had been giving her medicine to help her sleep, as she'd been crying on previous nights, and they gave her too much. I'm not sure I buy that as they're doctors and surely couldn't have made that mistake.

Hadn't dismissed the abduction theory but with a lack of evidence, either at the time or a conviction or credible suspect after all this time, I do wonder how much weight it needs to be given

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hadn't dismissed the abduction theory but with a lack of evidence, either at the time or a conviction or credible suspect after all this time, I do wonder how much weight it needs to be given

As much weight as her being killed either accidently or on purpose as the evidence for that isn't much than the evidence for abduction

 

[HomerJSimpson]

As much weight as her being killed either accidently or on purpose as the evidence for that isn't much than the evidence for abduction

At the end of the day no-one knows and so it's all conjecture until such time as there is a confession, arrest or conclusive evidence to prove who, what and where

 

[MadAdey]

Certainly read a lot from people who believe that misjudgement was accidentally hurting her themselves then covering up

Whatever happened they are most certainly culpable and not blame free for the disappearance of their little girl and as harsh as it may seem if that was a different type of family - ie your chav benefit sun reader or in fact any working class family - would they still have their other children ?

Either way they will have to live with their mistake for the rest of their lives and thats punishment but i do hope there is closure one day

I seem to remember that exact thing did happen. A couple of months after her disappearance, a woman from a council estate in Yorkshire decided to go out with her boyfriend and left 4 young children at home, because the baby sitter had not turned up. When she got home she found social services had taken the kids away and the police sat there waiting to arrest her. She got charged for wilful neglect of a minor, or what ever the actual charge was.

Living on a council estate working at Tescos and leaving your kids to go out = bad mother, children gone and arrested
2 middle class parents that are doctors leaves a child to go out that then gets abducted = sympathy, people saying they have been so unlucky, no further punishment from either the courts or social services.

 

[NorfolkShaun]

I seem to remember that exact thing did happen. A couple of months after her disappearance, a woman from a council estate in Yorkshire decided to go out with her boyfriend and left 4 young children at home, because the baby sitter had not turned up. When she got home she found social services had taken the kids away and the police sat there waiting to arrest her. She got charged for wilful neglect of a minor, or what ever the actual charge was.

Living on a council estate working at Tescos and leaving your kids to go out = bad mother, children gone and arrested
2 middle class parents that are doctors leaves a child to go out that then gets abducted = sympathy, people saying they have been so unlucky, no further punishment from either the courts or social services.

:thup:

Biggest difference is the second lady did not lose a child that night

 

[NorfolkShaun]

My understanding of the "they accidentally killed her" theory was that they had been giving her medicine to help her sleep, as she'd been crying on previous nights, and they gave her too much. I'm not sure I buy that as they're doctors and surely couldn't have made that mistake.

are you so sure a doctor would never get any medicine prescriptions / doses incorrect.........

 

[Swinger]

are you so sure a doctor would never get any medicine prescriptions / doses incorrect.........

Think you have read that incorrectly. I think it should read - I'm not sure I buy 'that as they're doctors and surely couldn't have made that mistake'.

I could be wrong be it made more sense to me that way.