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Luis Suárez.... a disgrace

hamshanker said:
band on jump wagon the.......re-arrange into a sentance:angry:

Ok,yeh he was found guilty of saying something regarded as racist and served his ban and now he is No1 target of anger again because he didnt shake Mr Evras hand.........:confused:

Nothing said about Evra grabbing Suarez's arm as he blanked him antagonizing the situation even more,or Evra running up and celebrating in his face.......nooooo thats ok

And what the f**k is fergy on about saying he is a disgrace to Liverpool FC and should never play for them again:angry:........here is a manager who has had a player deliberately try to end another players career (Keane/Haagland)and not just the once and another who was guilty for missing a drugs test mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

Now i have my thought of what action is worse.........
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finally someone who sees it from my POV. Fergie needs to remember his teams antics in the past before commenting on how much of a disgrace suarez is.
 
G1BB0 said:
MC, racist scum are very strong words, have you never and I mean never said something derogatory whether at the time or in retrospect towards someone? if not then fair play, but to come out with the words racist scum.... very strong indeed.

We can all be keyboard warriors, but very few of us can admit to being squeeky clean
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I grew up on a very rough,very cosmopolitan council estate,my childhood friends were a very mixed bunch and i would have said lots of things to them that i most certainly wouldn't say to strangers,so i'm guilty as charged,but there was no malice,and most certainly no racism involved.An argument is an argument and we are all individuals and all have different points of view,but i would never take a dislike to somebody based on there race,creed,colour,religion.
 
connor said:
so he is not a big as a fud as saurez? he shgged his mates mrs and also raially abused his england team mate/good friends brother?

i seem to be arguing this all day with manc fans on bookface. I think they are blinkered so badly. Im not denying what suarez said but then im on his side why should he shake someones hand who went out there way to get him trouble. "innocent evra" changed his story from multiple times alling him names to then saying just one. How can you ban someone against only one persons evidence which is also inconsitant at that? I dont like patrice evra he is a proven trouble maker but obviously he is a untd player so obviously untouchable!
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Okay have him as an equal or even slightly not as bad as Terry......the fact of the matter is he's a grade A fud and Dalglish has added fuel to the fire by claiming it the 'medja' that is causing it all.....nothing to do with him allowing inappropriate t shirts and defending a player who was found guilty of calling a fellow pro a negro 5 times.Kenny's handling of all this is as big a disgrace....the fact Liverpool shat out of appealing the 8 game ban tells the real story of this sorry episode.
 
Suarez is a nasty piece of work and always has been if in any doubt look at his rap sheet in Holland, biting another players arm etc. However for those saying LFC need to bite the bullet and get rid remember they paid upwards of £20mil for him so would need to get most of that back which will limit him to a few clubs, also if LFC get rid of him the are getting rid of their best player and most potent goalscoring threat along with his skill and creativity. Take him out the team and there is not a lot left really so Kenny is in a bit of a pickle here. Evra also acted like a total buffoon today, trying to knoble Suarez virtually from the kick off and ends up clattering with Rio and the final whistle behaviour was sheer lunacy from him. Yes Fergie is a hypocrite for saying what he did as well.
 
Dodger said:
Okay have him as an equal or even slightly not as bad as Terry......the fact of the matter is he's a grade A fud and Dalglish has added fuel to the fire by claiming it the 'medja' that is causing it all.....nothing to do with him allowing inappropriate t shirts and defending a player who was found guilty of calling a fellow pro a negrito once.Kenny's handling of all this is as big a disgrace....the fact Liverpool shat out of appealing the 8 game ban tells the real story of this sorry episode.
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fixed that for you.

They didnt appeal as the FA where never going to change there mind otherwise they would risk looking like a farce! (which they are)also would of led to a longer ban. I personally feel that the FA took this stance beacuse of blatters comments i think it was who said racism can be settled at the end of the game with a handshake and it doesnt exist.
This discussion really can go on all day as i dont think it is ever going to be something to be agreed on especially by people with loyalties to a team envolved.

here my views summed up in short

Should suarez of called evra a negrito (NO as no need to speak spanish to a none spanish speaking player)
should evra of insulted suarez in spanish (NO reference above)
should evra if that offended complained to the ref at the time ie in the game (yes)
Should it of been an 8 game ban (no)
should we of worn those t shirts (not the best idea but an see the thought behind it)
should they have shook hands (no not if they or 1 of them doesnt want to why should they? doesnt make you racsit for not shaking hands)
did evra need to grab hold of suarez (no thats assault)
did evra need to jump around infront of suarez after the game NO
did suarez do the right thing to walk away YES

does this subject now need to be laid to rest and the media stop having a feding frenzy of it and making it worse YES

what im getting at is its a culmination of so many things where both parties have been in the wrong here.This should be now left alone by the media as i think it would die out.
 
connor said:
fixed that for you.

They didnt appeal as the FA where never going to change there mind otherwise they would risk looking like a farce! (which they are)also would of led to a longer ban. I personally feel that the FA took this stance beacuse of blatters comments i think it was who said racism can be settled at the end of the game with a handshake and it doesnt exist.
This discussion really can go on all day as i dont think it is ever going to be something to be agreed on especially by people with loyalties to a team envolved.

here my views summed up in short

Should suarez of called evra a negrito (NO as no need to speak spanish to a none spanish speaking player)
should evra of insulted suarez in spanish (NO reference above)
should evra if that offended complained to the ref at the time ie in the game (yes)
Should it of been an 8 game ban (no)
should we of worn those t shirts (not the best idea but an see the thought behind it)
should they have shook hands (no not if they or 1 of them doesnt want to why should they? doesnt make you racsit for not shaking hands)
did evra need to grab hold of suarez (no thats assault)
did evra need to jump around infront of suarez after the game NO
did suarez do the right thing to walk away YES

does this subject now need to be laid to rest and the media stop having a feding frenzy of it and making it worse YES

what im getting at is its a culmination of so many things where both parties have been in the wrong here.This should be now left alone by the media as i think it would die out.
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Anyone would think you possibly support Liverpool.

Assault,do me a favour eh?

Liverpool F.C....offended by everything ashamed of nothing.
 
look up the word assualt in common law terms ;)

to assault somneone you dont need to hit them that is classed as battery.

a simple definition of it is

Law . an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.


so basically in clear terms assault isnt the hitting of someone its the threat of it. so telling someone this or eveb grabbing there arm can be classed as it
 
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connor said:
look up the word assualt in common law terms ;)

to assault somneone you dont need to hit them that is classed as battery.

a simple definition of it is

Law . an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.


so basically in clear terms assault isnt the hitting of someone its the threat of it. so telling someone this or eveb grabbing there arm can be classed as it
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You can be charged with "Common Assault" for verbally abusing,or threatening somebody,so technically speaking being racially abusive is Assault.
 
Mungoscorner said:
You can be charged with "Common Assault" for verbally abusing,or threatening somebody,so technically speaking being racially abusive is Assault.
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yeah but i think for racial stuff there is a seperate charge all together for that. Ask john terry he'll know.

anyway as for the suarez topic im going to gracefully bow out now as i will arguee all day on the matter and to be fair never going to agree with everyone nore do i expect them to agree with me. Afterall its a forum so everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if it is wrong ;)
 
the saddest bit for me is the amount of people trying to defend the actions of any of them, they are all in the wrong to varying degrees yet fans blinded by so called club loyalty defend the players of their club even when completely illogical to do so
 
connor said:
fixed that for you.

They didnt appeal as the FA where never going to change there mind otherwise they would risk looking like a farce! (which they are)also would of led to a longer ban. I personally feel that the FA took this stance beacuse of blatters comments i think it was who said racism can be settled at the end of the game with a handshake and it doesnt exist.
This discussion really can go on all day as i dont think it is ever going to be something to be agreed on especially by people with loyalties to a team envolved.

here my views summed up in short

Should suarez of called evra a negrito (NO as no need to speak spanish to a none spanish speaking player)
should evra of insulted suarez in spanish (NO reference above)
should evra if that offended complained to the ref at the time ie in the game (yes)
Should it of been an 8 game ban (no)
should we of worn those t shirts (not the best idea but an see the thought behind it)
should they have shook hands (no not if they or 1 of them doesnt want to why should they? doesnt make you racsit for not shaking hands)
did evra need to grab hold of suarez (no thats assault)
did evra need to jump around infront of suarez after the game NO
did suarez do the right thing to walk away YES

does this subject now need to be laid to rest and the media stop having a feding frenzy of it and making it worse YES

what im getting at is its a culmination of so many things where both parties have been in the wrong here.This should be now left alone by the media as i think it would die out.
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totaly agree,should be put to bed and lets get on with the football,BUT no the media have to drag it on until they have destroyed some1,good example is with Stuart Pierce,media dragging the past up from 18yrs ago because he has been made temp English manager.....

good old media getting right behind England....tossers(off tangent a little but bored of Suarez/Evra saga now):cheers:
 
connor said:
yeah but i think for racial stuff there is a seperate charge all together for that. Ask john terry he'll know.

anyway as for the suarez topic im going to gracefully bow out now as i will arguee all day on the matter and to be fair never going to agree with everyone nore do i expect them to agree with me. Afterall its a forum so everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if it is wrong ;)
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Very eloquently put,and we are all entitled to an oppinion. :thup:
 
By the way was he not deemed to have called him negreto 7 times in the FA report,not the 5 and 1 we quoted?

And Evra did notify the Ref....

.....and by your reckoning Connor the Ref today will be on an assault charge.:smirk:
 
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murphthemog said:
Trick is, Suarez is an idiot, possibly racist, possibly not, but evra is an odious individual. I wouldn't shake his hand either.
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Spot on.

The fa disciplinary board found Suarez guilty on the balance of "Probability".

It is very clear that Suarez insists ( I'd believe him before evra) what he said was not meant as a racist slur and feels very aggrieved that he was found guilty and banned for 8 games.

As he has insisted his innocence there is no reason why he should shake hands with the accuser.
Evra's celebrations right in front of Suarez at full time left a lot to be desired too, though credit to Suarez for not smacking the lying frenchman.

As for fergusons post match comments, he's got cheek telling us how to manage our football club.
 
The most disgusting thing about this whole episode when it originally happened was the when Suarez picked and poked at Evra's skin, pointing at it with a look of disgust. If I'd been Evra I'd have taken the stupid f&%&^%s head off. Shameful behaviour.
 
fundy said:
the saddest bit for me is the amount of people trying to defend the actions of any of them, they are all in the wrong to varying degrees yet fans blinded by so called club loyalty defend the players of their club even when completely illogical to do so
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Spot on. 5 years ago, I would have been desperate to watch this. Today, I knew how it was going to unfold, so I arranged a session with my Pro and spent an hour working on Lag. The bigger problem is that I also decided that I didn't want my lad to watch the game as I didn't think that the behaviour on show from them all would be a good example of how I think Sport should be played. Fans are turning away from the game because of the actions of these "yobs". Football is in danger of eating itself.....

Anyway, Latics beat the trotters and the Warriors beat Leeds, so all is good in my Wigan wonderland...
 
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