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Liverpool - It's not looking too bad in the transfer market

Foxholer said:
Er...Try 15 years!

Didn't you say you were a (retired) Railway worker? (Driver?)

Arsenal's cash reserve is indeed large, but it wasn't just created last year, or the last couple of years! It's necessary to act as a buffer for both their, sizeable, Property business and ongoing risks (like not making Champions League for example).

If you really a business man, you would realise that! I think Adey's WUM is a better description!
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I studied business and did A levels in Accountancy and Economics at college, but I would not class myself as a business man. But I am with you on this foxy. The cash that Arsenal have is what keeps them afloat, without it and such a huge debt they could be in trouble, big time. Like you said if they miss out on CL football one season how will they make their £25m repayment on the stadium, that's right, through the cash reserve. They have a lot of debt, but also have the cash to balance it and make payments.

Arsenal do have a sound business model that has bought them a new stadium while still having a good team and being able to compete. JCW, you say you are a business man with properties, so you must have a nest egg somewhere that you keep for a rainy day Incase you can't make your repayments on those properties. That money Arsenal has is the same.

Foxholer said:
Liverpool does indeed have wealthy, but sensible, owners who have dragged it back from major downturn under previous owners, so definitely not stood still! FFP is, however, something they need to be aware of - even with the bumper harvest of selling Suarez!
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They are defiantly starting to sort out the books now at Liverpool and that can be seen from the fact they can afford to buy new players. The scare from a few seasons ago when it looked like they would have to sell any player that was worth anything has passed now.
 
Fish said:
As Stu stated earlier in a post, we have strengthened an already strong squad with some very decent players and if Costa clicks, and the signs in pre-season is he's really up for it, and with Drogba on as an impact player, not to mention the goal scorers we have from the flanks and creative midfield, I am very confident, much more than usual, for the coming season :D
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if someone gave me a free bet on the PL I would certainly be considering putting it on Chelsea. I think Maureen would still like to bring another striker though, the fact he has got Drogba back shows he sees a slight weakness in that area. I definitely think that Chelsea has the strongest Midfield squad and possibly the best 2 keepers. I can see either Cavani or Falcao ending up there.
 
MadAdey said:
if someone gave me a free bet on the PL I would certainly be considering putting it on Chelsea. I think Maureen would still like to bring another striker though, the fact he has got Drogba back shows he sees a slight weakness in that area. I definitely think that Chelsea has the strongest Midfield squad and possibly the best 2 keepers. I can see either Cavani or Falcao ending up there.
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No real money worries in life , just done a lease for new business property , friend of mine in the trade at golf club checked it out and we got the deal i wanted , cost me a case of wine , not paying the lawyers a grand , just married and my 1st on the way , thats my only worry that he/she be born healthy , all this name calling on here and the rest of the debate is just passing time and i enjoy it and dont take it personal , others do but thats their problem , I am looking forward to the PL season
 
MadAdey said:
if someone gave me a free bet on the PL I would certainly be considering putting it on Chelsea. I think Maureen would still like to bring another striker though, the fact he has got Drogba back shows he sees a slight weakness in that area. I definitely think that Chelsea has the strongest Midfield squad and possibly the best 2 keepers. I can see either Cavani or Falcao ending up there.
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Only reason I'm not backing Chelsea is the price is too short.
I'd be surprised to see Cavani or Falcou arriving tbh.
 
JCW said:
I am just talking PL , nothink else , 10 years they were winning a lot , then they build a new stadium so not much spare cash to complete against new boys in the cash league chelsea , then Man City , but now Arsenal are back to where they were 10 years ago and can match Chelsea or City if they want too . Liverpool have stood still and will be left behind unless they get a rich owner , but FFP is also here , what next for Liverpool and any other club , build a bigger stadium to get more gate money , but that cost millions and something has to give and in Arsenal`s case it was the team. Don`t you think those in the know dont know that , coz they do thats why they have not done it as football is a results business , The Arsenal board had a vision and they bite the Bullet and with champions league cash every year they have got to where they are today quicker , thats all down to Wengers skill as an all round manager , I am a business man thats why i understand what was done and why it was done and they fruits of those years are now here and from a Strong position Arsenal will get stronger , The Arsenal cash reserve is more then all clubs in the premire league put together , you think thats was a fluke .........I see your stats and cant argue with that but its history , the future is whats its all about , there you have mate , if you cant see it then ,you cant , never mind
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You argue that your point is about the future, and yet you started it stating your pl history is better?
to arsenals credit they upgraded the stadium in a point of strength and couldn't of seen all the businessmen bipuying clubs as toys. That said, you're constant digs about your a business man so know what you're talking about are condescending to say the least. Especially when half your points are totally no business realted and absurd to say the least.

To sum up. FFP Won't work. Uefa's profit lines are improved with clubs performance. If any of the big names threaten to leave sponsors will put the screw on the rules. Re a euro league. Rumours originally were that it'd be 2 each from the biggest leagues in Europe. Arsenal aren't in that list. Man UTD and Liverpool are so far ahead if the towers it's not even close.
 
Don't believe FFP will ever truely work

As someone has already Platini was very vocal about rich owners etc etc until PSG came into money - been quiet since

Oh and Arsenal have lost one of their better players - Vermaluen
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Don't think he's a problem. 13 games and 8 sub appearances last year hardly a first team choice. Wenger has more in front of him he prefers and still has doubt to splash the cash if he chooses
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He has two CB's in his squad now when Vermaluen goes - has more full backs than CB
 
Liverpoolphil said:
He has two CB's in his squad now when Vermaluen goes - has more full backs than CB
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Think you need to look at Liverpool's defensive frailties first. No doubt they can cover should they need to. Not an Arsenal fan but Wenger always impresses me how he has a plan for everything and so I'm sure he has someone in mind to let him go
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Think you need to look at Liverpool's defensive frailties first. No doubt they can cover should they need to. Not an Arsenal fan but Wenger always impresses me how he has a plan for everything and so I'm sure he has someone in mind to let him go
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Yep and we have purchased a CB and DM to help our "frailties" but it was irrelevant to the post I made

Last year he had Sagna to cover at CB if needed - he has left as well.

It wouldn't be the first time someone has left without adequate ( or in fact any replacement ) lined up
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yep and we have purchased a CB and DM to help our "frailties" but it was irrelevant to the post I made

Last year he had Sagna to cover at CB if needed - he has left as well.

It wouldn't be the first time someone has left without adequate ( or in fact any replacement ) lined up
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One half decent season for Liverpool & you start knocking Arsenal :o
Probably best to see how Brenda sorts your defensive problems out first :thup:
 
Pin-seeker said:
One half decent season for Liverpool & you start knocking Arsenal :o
Probably best to see how Brenda sorts your defensive problems out first :thup:
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I'd suspect he was quite into knocking Arsenal before the half-decent season! :whistle:

Agree about defensive problems though. Performance there is vital, but it looks like it's being addressed. Whether 'addressing' them will actually solve them is a different story!
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Think you need to look at Liverpool's defensive frailties first. No doubt they can cover should they need to. Not an Arsenal fan but Wenger always impresses me how he has a plan for everything and so I'm sure he has someone in mind to let him go
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Gotta say I think it's wingers stubbornness to hope his 11 stay fit that has cost arsenal recently. Every season fans complain due to bad luck with injuries. If they had adequate cover they'd not have had such problems.

Read Liverpools defensive issues. I put that more down to the coaches tactical preference than squad options.
 
I agree that Wenger can be stubborn and it has cost him. However I think he's changed tact a little this summer and seems a little more open to change and new personnel. I do think that after the first 11 and the bench there is still cover lacking but I could say that at most clubs with the exception of Chelsea (and even then I'm not 100% convinced) and City.
 
Have Arsenal bought some players that I have missed ? 4 arriving - 2 RB , Back Up GK and a talented winger

Lost a fair few as well
 
In wenger we trust , only few Arsenal fans don`t , on here when i spoke about seeing a guy die in front of my train and what it was like and liverpool phil was then in the army and seen loads of dead bodies and was a weapons expert , took holmer and me all nite to get it out of him , next we got this other guy who i now find out is a secret accountant , then another accountant and big time business mind turns up , you guys make me laugh , you must be texting each other to post , no , I think you all are wannabe football managers huh and fantasy league is best you will do so you come on here to act like your experts , I cant stop laughing .............I am out , you guys carry on , Liverpool are buying everyone including Van mullen ha ha
 
JCW said:
In wenger we trust , only few Arsenal fans don`t , on here when i spoke about seeing a guy die in front of my train and what it was like and liverpool phil was then in the army and seen loads of dead bodies and was a weapons expert , took holmer and me all nite to get it out of him , next we got this other guy who i now find out is a secret accountant , then another accountant and big time business mind turns up , you guys make me laugh , you must be texting each other to post , no , I think you all are wannabe football managers huh and fantasy league is best you will do so you come on here to act like your experts , I cant stop laughing .............I am out , you guys carry on , Liverpool are buying everyone including Van mullen ha ha
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Never been in the army nor a weapons expert and I really am struggling to see what relevance any of your posts have to this thread ?
 
JCW said:
In wenger we trust , only few Arsenal fans don`t , on here when i spoke about seeing a guy die in front of my train and what it was like and liverpool phil was then in the army and seen loads of dead bodies and was a weapons expert , took holmer and me all nite to get it out of him , next we got this other guy who i now find out is a secret accountant , then another accountant and big time business mind turns up , you guys make me laugh , you must be texting each other to post , no , I think you all are wannabe football managers huh and fantasy league is best you will do so you come on here to act like your experts , I cant stop laughing .............I am out , you guys carry on , Liverpool are buying everyone including Van mullen ha ha
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Don't really care what this earns me. When I first joined here I will admit that phil would get my goal as he was so blinkered and biased. He still is to a point. But generally trees to back it off with at least reasonable points. You on the other hand spout ability garbage. Everytime your posts are proved to be laughable you jump up and down claims g we communicate to point out your faults. I would suggest if enough people think your bonkers. You're bonkers!!
 
Papas1982 said:
Don't really care what this earns me. When I first joined here I will admit that phil would get my goal as he was so blinkered and biased. He still is to a point. But generally trees to back it off with at least reasonable points. You on the other hand spout ability garbage. Everytime your posts are proved to be laughable you jump up and down claims g we communicate to point out your faults. I would suggest if enough people think your bonkers. You're bonkers!!
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I may be mad but i not nasty , and no i am not offended in anyway shape or form mate
 
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