Liverpool - It's not looking too bad in the transfer market

[Papas1982]

Here re we go again, the blind football fan. What on this earth makes you so confident that Arsenal will finish above Liverpool and United? Have they really improved the squad that much so far? Also your lack of knowledge is fantastic, Liverpool did not have a full strength team out and it was a pre season marketing tool.

I think you are trying to be a WUM going on the fact that you keep changing your opinion and avoids questions when asked.

I don't think your squad was that weak, and isn't that part of the game. Have a squad good enough to cope. UTD were also in ore season and as you've stated earlier have a squad with holes. Yes it was a friendly, but whichever team won was going to brag somewhat whilst the others hid behind it being a friendly. Didn't they say at the start you've now had 2 friendlies in your history? Says it all really, the fans at the game whilst mainly yanks still wanted their respective teams to win.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think United have more to come in and they will be experienced players, maybe even a real big name. I think Arsenal may get one more in. The worrying thing is how little City seem to be doing and Pellegrini seems very confident with his side. Personally I can't see beyond a City Chelsea one two. After that I think United and Arsenal will be within a point or so of each other for third and then a gap of 5-6 points to the rest

 

[MadAdey]

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I think United have more to come in and they will be experienced players, maybe even a real big name. I think Arsenal may get one more in. The worrying thing is how little City seem to be doing and Pellegrini seems very confident with his side. Personally I can't see beyond a City Chelsea one two. After that I think United and Arsenal will be within a point or so of each other for third and then a gap of 5-6 points to the rest

What do City need? They have better strikers sat on the bench than most teams had on the pitch (Arsenal and Chelsea included). Pellagrini is too wise to just go out wasting money, the only way he is going to spend is if a really big name came onto the market. Chelsea/City 1st & 2nd is what I expect, but who knows, last year just goes to prove what a crazy game it can be. Liverpool got second and I honestly thought at one point Everton would sneak into 4th until they tailed off in the last few games.[/FONT]

 

[Papas1982]

What do City need? They have better strikers sat on the bench than most teams had on the pitch (Arsenal and Chelsea included). Pellagrini is too wise to just go out wasting money, the only way he is going to spend is if a really big name came onto the market. Chelsea/City 1st & 2nd is what I expect, but who knows, last year just goes to prove what a crazy game it can be. Liverpool got second and I honestly thought at one point Everton would sneak into 4th until they tailed off in the last few games.

I don't think homer was concerned. Think he basically meant it was ominous that City were so strong they didn't feel the need to make a splash. I could be wrong but interpreted it that way.

The he thing with you last year was the shock factor. You could easily do it again. But last year when it went wrong. And you lost it (you did lose it IMO). You were happy to say we were hoping for 4th second is brilliant etc etc. Now the pressure is on. Lots of times teams first season back I'm prem is rosey then they fall apart. 2nd season syndrome is the test.

Do I think you'll win it, not a hope. As Liverpool fans pointed out last season. Your improvement was unprecedented. And there was a one person behind that and it wasn't br. No big team in the league has been weakened over summer like yours has. I think the top three will comfortably be Chelsea/city and then arsenal.

I make utd favourites for one reason. Van Gaal. The players didn't support Moyes. He and the team couldn't handle the pressure, they were the best team away in pl last year and if Rooney and RVP stay up top instead of drifting which looks likely on this new formation they could easily score the goals you did last year to improve so greatly.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I'll take the £20 bet,Charity of winners choice??

Is the bet on?

 

[JCW]

Here re we go again, the blind football fan. What on this earth makes you so confident that Arsenal will finish above Liverpool and United? Have they really improved the squad that much so far? Also your lack of knowledge is fantastic, Liverpool did not have a full strength team out and it was a pre season marketing tool.

I think you are trying to be a WUM going on the fact that you keep changing your opinion and avoids questions when asked.

Avoid question when asked , I been taking lessons from Liverpool Phil , In the last 17 PL seasons since Wenger has been in charge, Arsenal have Finished 13 times above Liverpool to liverpool 4 times and one of those 4 it was the same 68 points each , 3
times winners to Livepool 0 and last season was the 1st time in ages that you finished above Arsenal and that was all done to LS who is no longer there , thats the confidence i have they will and i will pay £20 to charity if they do . I see Carvani is in talks with Liverpool and Arsenal , If we want him , Arsenal will out bid Liverpool , as for city not doing much business , thats down to FFP biting , been fined already hence need to watch it hence the Lampard signing , that was all in the bag before he when to USA. because he wants to play and Chelsea did not want to keep him on and city need English players , Nasri taking a pay cut , thats FFP too and they try and make it up in bonus payments , think they are clever , FFP will catch them again ,its going to be a cracking season for sure

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Avoid question when asked , I been taking lessons from Liverpool Phil , In the last 17 PL seasons since Wenger has been in charge, Arsenal have Finished 13 times above Liverpool to liverpool 4 times and one of those 4 it was the same 68 points each , 3
times winners to Livepool 0 and last season was the 1st time in ages that you finished above Arsenal and that was all done to LS who is no longer there , thats the confidence i have they will and i will pay £20 to charity if they do . I see Carvani is in talks with Liverpool and Arsenal , If we want him , Arsenal will out bid Liverpool , as for city not doing much business , thats down to FFP biting , been fined already hence need to watch it hence the Lampard signing , that was all in the bag before he when to USA. because he wants to play and Chelsea did not want to keep him on and city need English players , Nasri taking a pay cut , thats FFP too and they try and make it up in bonus payments , think they are clever , FFP will catch them again ,its going to be a cracking season for sure

Don't pin your hopes on FFP.

That was Platini's big idea but its effectiveness was dead in the water the moment PSG got the massive financial support of the Qatari's.

The rules have already been diluted and will be furter eroded the more difficult they make it for the Pride of France to win the CL.

 

[JCW]

Don't pin your hopes on FFP.

That was Platini's big idea but its effectiveness was dead in the water the moment PSG got the massive financial support of the Qatari's.

The rules have already been diluted and will be furter eroded the more difficult they make it for the Pride of France to win the CL.

Time will tell but something needs to be done but I think in the end the big clubs will have their own European League just like the PL came into being over here . Arsenal , Chelsea , Man City & Utd , RM , Barce, Ajax, BM , Benfica , PSG to name a few ......dont laugh

 

[MadAdey]

Avoid question when asked , I been taking lessons from Liverpool Phil , In the last 17 PL seasons since Wenger has been in charge, Arsenal have Finished 13 times above Liverpool to liverpool 4 times and one of those 4 it was the same 68 points each , 3
times winners to Livepool 0 and last season was the 1st time in ages that you finished above Arsenal and that was all done to LS who is no longer there , thats the confidence i have they will and i will pay £20 to charity if they do.

.??????????? When Phil mentions liverpools history he gets shot down, so what the hell has the last 17 years got to do with anything. In those years you had some top players in each position, now you haven't.
..........................Liverpool.......Arsenal
League....................18..............13
FA Cup.....................7...............11
League cup...............8................2
Euro Cup/CL..............5...............0
EUFA Cup..................3...............0
Cup Winners Cup.......0................1
Charity Shield...........15..............12
Euro Super Cup.........3................0
Total Trophies............59..............39

So using your flawed logic then Liverpool have to do better than Arsenal because of what has happened in years gone by. Maybe not because it has no bearing on a new season. Rogers has been in charge for 2 seasons and is improving a crap team, Wenger is I charge of Arsenal and they are getting no better, if anything using your talk of years gone by as a bench mark, he is doing worse now than 10 years ago......LOL

 

[MadAdey]

Time will tell but something needs to be done but I think in the end the big clubs will have their own European League just like the PL came into being over here . Arsenal , Chelsea , Man City & Utd , RM , Barce, Ajax, BM , Benfica , PSG to name a few ......dont laugh

i think this post sums you up, you really are deluded. You mention a Euro Super League and put Arsenal in there, why do you think they would automatically get in? Entry requirements are.........win nothing for 10 years?

 

[Foxholer]

Don't pin your hopes on FFP.

That was Platini's big idea but its effectiveness was dead in the water the moment PSG got the massive financial support of the Qatari's.

The rules have already been diluted and will be furter eroded the more difficult they make it for the Pride of France to win the CL.

PSG was fined the same as City (60m Euros - reduced to 20m if they comply) and had identical sanctions imposed on them too!

Pay cut, but bonus for success (for both player and Club) is much more reasonable - as it implies Club benefits financially from whatever the bonus is for. That's the sort of arrangement UEFA would (or at least should) be 'happy' with as it doesn't threaten a Club's viability!

 

[JCW]

.??????????? When Phil mentions liverpools history he gets shot down, so what the hell has the last 17 years got to do with anything. In those years you had some top players in each position, now you haven't.
..........................Liverpool.......Arsenal
League....................18..............13
FA Cup.....................7...............11
League cup...............8................2
Euro Cup/CL..............5...............0
EUFA Cup..................3...............0
Cup Winners Cup.......0................1
Charity Shield...........15..............12
Euro Super Cup.........3................0
Total Trophies............59..............39

So using your flawed logic then Liverpool have to do better than Arsenal because of what has happened in years gone by. Maybe not because it has no bearing on a new season. Rogers has been in charge for 2 seasons and is improving a crap team, Wenger is I charge of Arsenal and they are getting no better, if anything using your talk of years gone by as a bench mark, he is doing worse now than 10 years ago......LOL

I am just talking PL , nothink else , 10 years they were winning a lot , then they build a new stadium so not much spare cash to complete against new boys in the cash league chelsea , then Man City , but now Arsenal are back to where they were 10 years ago and can match Chelsea or City if they want too . Liverpool have stood still and will be left behind unless they get a rich owner , but FFP is also here , what next for Liverpool and any other club , build a bigger stadium to get more gate money , but that cost millions and something has to give and in Arsenal`s case it was the team. Don`t you think those in the know dont know that , coz they do thats why they have not done it as football is a results business , The Arsenal board had a vision and they bite the Bullet and with champions league cash every year they have got to where they are today quicker , thats all down to Wengers skill as an all round manager , I am a business man thats why i understand what was done and why it was done and they fruits of those years are now here and from a Strong position Arsenal will get stronger , The Arsenal cash reserve is more then all clubs in the premire league put together , you think thats was a fluke .........I see your stats and cant argue with that but its history , the future is whats its all about , there you have mate , if you cant see it then ,you cant , never mind

 

[Andy808]

Pepe Reina has been sold to Bayern Munich.
Really sad to see him go after the work he has done for the club over the years.

 

[Fish]

I am just talking PL , nothink else , 10 years they were winning a lot , then they build a new stadium so not much spare cash to complete against new boys in the cash league chelsea , then Man City , but now Arsenal are back to where they were 10 years ago and can match Chelsea or City if they want too . Liverpool have stood still and will be left behind unless they get a rich owner , but FFP is also here , what next for Liverpool and any other club , build a bigger stadium to get more gate money , but that cost millions and something has to give and in Arsenal`s case it was the team. Don`t you think those in the know dont know that , coz they do thats why they have not done it as football is a results business , The Arsenal board had a vision and they bite the Bullet and with champions league cash every year they have got to where they are today quicker , thats all down to Wengers skill as an all round manager , I am a business man thats why i understand what was done and why it was done and they fruits of those years are now here and from a Strong position Arsenal will get stronger , The Arsenal cash reserve is more then all clubs in the premire league put together , you think thats was a fluke .........I see your stats and cant argue with that but its history , the future is whats its all about , there you have mate , if you cant see it then ,you cant , never mind

:rofl:

 

[Foxholer]

I am just talking PL , nothink else , 10 years they were winning a lot , then they build a new stadium so not much spare cash to complete against new boys in the cash league chelsea , then Man City , but now Arsenal are back to where they were 10 years ago and can match Chelsea or City if they want too . Liverpool have stood still and will be left behind unless they get a rich owner , but FFP is also here , what next for Liverpool and any other club , build a bigger stadium to get more gate money , but that cost millions and something has to give and in Arsenal`s case it was the team. Don`t you think those in the know dont know that , coz they do thats why they have not done it as football is a results business , The Arsenal board had a vision and they bite the Bullet and with champions league cash every year they have got to where they are today quicker , thats all down to Wengers skill as an all round manager , I am a business man thats why i understand what was done and why it was done and they fruits of those years are now here and from a Strong position Arsenal will get stronger , The Arsenal cash reserve is more then all clubs in the premire league put together , you think thats was a fluke .........I see your stats and cant argue with that but its history , the future is whats its all about , there you have mate , if you cant see it then ,you cant , never mind

Er...Try 15 years!

Didn't you say you were a (retired) Railway worker? (Driver?)

Arsenal's cash reserve is indeed large, but it wasn't just created last year, or the last couple of years! It's necessary to act as a buffer for both their, sizeable, Property business and ongoing risks (like not making Champions League for example).

If you really a business man, you would realise that! I think Adey's WUM is a better description!

Liverpool does indeed have wealthy, but sensible, owners who have dragged it back from major downturn under previous owners, so definitely not stood still! FFP is, however, something they need to be aware of - even with the bumper harvest of selling Suarez!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

PSG was fined the same as City (60m Euros - reduced to 20m if they comply) and had identical sanctions imposed on them too!

Pay cut, but bonus for success (for both player and Club) is much more reasonable - as it implies Club benefits financially from whatever the bonus is for. That's the sort of arrangement UEFA would (or at least should) be 'happy' with as it doesn't threaten a Club's viability!

Both clubs effectively negotiated their own sanctions.

My point is aimed at those who seriously think that FFP will have any significant levelling effect. It won't, in fact quite the reverse, the gap between rich and poor is likely to get bigger.

 

[MadAdey]

:rofl:

always good for for a laugh these posts are. I am realistic in the fact that I know man 4 Man Liverpool are not in the same calibre as Chelsea and City, doesn't mean they can't compete though.

 

[JCW]

Er...Try 15 years!

Didn't you say you were a (retired) Railway worker? (Driver?)

Arsenal's cash reserve is indeed large, but it wasn't just created last year, or the last couple of years! It's necessary to act as a buffer for both their, sizeable, Property business and ongoing risks (like not making Champions League for example).

If you really a business man, you would realise that! I think Adey's WUM is a better description!

Liverpool does indeed have wealthy, but sensible, owners who have dragged it back from major downturn under previous owners, so definitely not stood still! FFP is, however, something they need to be aware of - even with the bumper harvest of selling Suarez!

yep , thats why i play golf everyday and not worry about work ...........Liverpool buying a spainish lad plus carvani , this is rumour or is it really taking place

 

[Fish]

always good for for a laugh these posts are. I am realistic in the fact that I know man 4 Man Liverpool are not in the same calibre as Chelsea and City, doesn't mean they can't compete though.

As Stu stated earlier in a post, we have strengthened an already strong squad with some very decent players and if Costa clicks, and the signs in pre-season is he's really up for it, and with Drogba on as an impact player, not to mention the goal scorers we have from the flanks and creative midfield, I am very confident, much more than usual, for the coming season

 

[JCW]

As Stu stated earlier in a post, we have strengthened an already strong squad with some very decent players and if Costa clicks, and the signs in pre-season is he's really up for it, and with Drogba on as an impact player, not to mention the goal scorers we have from the flanks and creative midfield, I am very confident, much more than usual, for the coming season

Me too , and more to come yet