Labours Lost Voters

shagster said:
yes labour borrowed and spent on infrastructure etc, but if the tories had been in power at that time, they would have done the same.

if cameron had been in power, we would still have gone into Iraq and Afghanistan and spent billions
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Don't know whether you're right or wrong but can I borrow your all-seeing crystal ball for the lottery numbers.
 
shagster said:
wow you are good
you do not understand irony either, as i know you would not pick up a paper that may have a differing view, only a tory rag
of course i new about deficit surplus and debt, its amazing the things you learn at school and by reading various articles from all sides of the political spectrum rather than someone who seems to think the sun and the mail are the policial opinion of everyone and no one else's views count
my point, which seems way above your head, was that the tories promised to reduce the deficit but they know know the the problems were far deeper rooted than the labour party, but easy to blame
when i mention the debt, that is the bottom line, like the wage packet, you look at the nett income not gross, that does not pay the bills
we are saddled with debt, this is not going to reduce much in my life time, if at all
there are many many issues that need sorting out, and it is not about who but how this is done, but you really need to take of the rose coloured specs you wear.
yes labour borrowed and spent on infrastructure etc, but if the tories had been in power at that time, they would have done the same. its called vote catching.
if you cannot see that then i am wasting my time because you just follow the popular head line and not the full facts. try using the internet or reading articles of differing political views.
who is going to pay for all the tories bright ideas like hs2 etc, the have sold off all the utilities etc.
if cameron had been in power, we would still have gone into Iraq and Afghanistan and spent billions so please do not blame it all on labour, a lot of it has been world events, that the UK try to stand up to and support the weak, a bit like the welfare state, but i expect you want that abolished as well
i do not have all, or any of the answers but one day we may get a government for all rather than the few, so everyone's voice can be heard

shagster
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Hope you feel better getting that lot off your chest? You really are struggling to express yourself here but keep trying, it can only get better.

Try using paragraphs, it will help you to put some structure into your posts. Also a capital letter at the start of sentences will assist with readability.

I'm really interested in what this "Government for all" pans out like, I suggest you don't hold your breath waiting for it .

Take care ;)
 
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jp5 said:
Not easy to find an impartial view, but as that article is written by a Conservative party member I'll give it a swerve!

I'm no Labour supporter wouldn't be surprised if Labour did overspend on their budget - quite frankly I don't have the inclination or motivation to trawl through the numbers.

What grates with me is the pinning of the global crisis and the massive inherited deficit on Labour's overspending.

People are susceptible to being fed porkies and taking them at face value, and in my books it's irresponsible of highly educated people to be tricking the electorate into believing their narrative.

It does go both ways - the notion that the Tories have failed as the debt has doubled during their time in Government (as one previous poster in this thread had been taken in by) is equally deceptive.

But in my experience it seems to be the Tories that are more conniving, not least highlighted by the Telegraph's campaign to encourage Tories to vote for Corbyn in the Labour leadership election!

For what it's worth I think Corbyn would at least bring clear aims and a principled opposition, though he'd be the least electable. The other three I can't really tell what separates them, or why they'd be any better than Ed.
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I'm with the Torygraph on that one. Corbyn would be another Michael Foot and would make Labour even more unelectable. I have never rated Harriet Harman much but I liked the way she admitted that Labour needed to listen to the Public regarding subjects like welfare.
 
So sorry.

My spelling and grammar are not to your high standards, and no capital letters, which must have made reading my view difficult.

I was only expressing a view, which i can only send my apologies for as it is not a tory view, which to some of you seem offensive.

i never said labour was right, and after all Blair was a tory in drag, all i ever said was the tories and their spin machines were not the view of everyone.

I will let you get back to your small daily mail world and I will carry on with my view, as we are both entitled to different opinions, i have no problem with that, yet you seem to have trouble excepting my view, right or wrong, it is only a view

Shagster
 
shagster said:
So sorry.

My spelling and grammar are not to your high standards, and no capital letters, which must have made reading my view difficult.

I was only expressing a view, which i can only send my apologies for as it is not a tory view, which to some of you seem offensive.

i never said labour was right, and after all Blair was a tory in drag, all i ever said was the tories and their spin machines were not the view of everyone.

I will let you get back to your small daily mail world and I will carry on with my view, as we are both entitled to different opinions, i have no problem with that, yet you seem to have trouble excepting my view, right or wrong, it is only a view

Shagster
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That's better, don't be sorry :thup:

You are quite entitled to your view however misguided. I would never suggest otherwise.

It's 'accepting' by the way not 'excepting'
 
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You are correct as always, spell check is not very good and its bloody american as well, and i hated English at skool

Its strange that we are both misguided individuals, i hope our golf is better.

shagster
 
SocketRocket said:
I'm with the Torygraph on that one. Corbyn would be another Michael Foot and would make Labour even more unelectable. I have never rated Harriet Harman much but I liked the way she admitted that Labour needed to listen to the Public regarding subjects like welfare.
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Possibly, but you never know what might happen. I think people wanting him to become leader, but opposed to Labour, are unwise given that in that position there is a chance - however small - that he will become PM.

Anything could happen between now and 2020 - we could leave the EU and trigger another recession. There could be another housing crash. Boris could get elected as Tory leader!

As is attributed to Harold Macmillan when asked what would bring down his Government - "events, my dear boy, events"
 
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