Kyle Walker - Took Legal High - No Action by FA

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I absolutely accept that alcohol is a bigger long term problem - but I'm not really doing a compare and contrast - I'm doing an absolute. And taking legal high drugs is abolutely not a good thing and should be discouraged whenever possible. There was an opportunity with Kyle Walker to make such a statement and send a message - it wasn't taken - which was a pity.
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Nitrous oxide is what they give during labour! you can have a blast yourself if you like (apparently......) Kyle Walker has nothing to answer for. Its just the papers stirring up crap before an England game as usual. The picture of him has been around for a while. this is very old news
 
Ah ok, sounds like I was trying to argue apples and oranges then :)

I still disagree about it being an absolutely bad thing, but this seems like something neither will convince the other off. My way of thinking though, in case you were interested, is that if it wasn't classed as a "legal high", as this seems to be a media-coined phrase to describe something they want to class as "bad", would you still feel the same? If they had just said "nitrous oxide", and avoided all reference to LH?
 
Stating it was a legal high is just the media hyping up a non story.

It is nothing. Just another example of what happens when you give a terminally stupid person (Premiership footballer) lots of money and no boundaries. Footballers are generally a bit thick and here's another illustration. Nothing more than that really.
 
Snelly said:
Stating it was a legal high is just the media hyping up a non story.

It is nothing. Just another example of what happens when you give a terminally stupid person (Premiership footballer) lots of money and no boundaries. Footballers are generally a bit thick and here's another illustration. Nothing more than that really.
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:thup: and :rofl:
 
Snelly said:
Stating it was a legal high is just the media hyping up a non story.

It is nothing. Just another example of what happens when you give a terminally stupid person (Premiership footballer) lots of money and no boundaries. Footballers are generally a bit thick and here's another illustration. Nothing more than that really.
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Agreed entirely.

Only thing to add is that I really don't think that premiership footballers in this day an age can be attacked for not living up to expectations as role models. This was something the lad has done in his own time, with friends on a night out. He's had silly money since he was silly young and IMHO there shouldn't be a parent in the land pinning someone like him up as a role model for their kids.

I'm not saying he's a bad person one bit, but it's not his responsibility to live that sort of 'boring' life if he doesn't want to. As long as he continues to earn his place in his club side he's done nout wrong in my eyes.
 
Typical OTT media headline.

From what I have read, this picture was taken some time ago, so why do they feel the need to drag it up now?

I had plenty of this "legal high" whilst giving birth, but never made the national papers.
 
guest100718 said:
Nitrous oxide is what they give during labour! you can have a blast yourself if you like (apparently......) Kyle Walker has nothing to answer for. Its just the papers stirring up crap before an England game as usual. The picture of him has been around for a while. this is very old news
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Not exactly.... entonox is a mixture of nitrous oxide and oxygen.

But, yes, total non-story.
 
Hmmm - I'm alone in this then - and hesitate to suggest you may all be missing my point - well two points.

1) Legal Highs can be lethal and many only remain legal because legislation hasn't caught up. Meanwhile we are trying to teach our youngsters that it is very dangerous to dabble in legal highs as you never know what the hell it is and what it might do to you.

2) Whatever NO 'actually' is - it's been described in the media as a 'legal high'; Kyle Walker has been reported as admitting to having having taken a legal high; Kyle Walker has not been punished (correctly) nor has her been reprimanded in any way by the FA or PFA for 'dabbling in legal highs' - exactly the thing we are trying to warn our teens against doing. Brilliant.

It's disappointing the degree of ignorance that exists in the public conscience on this subject - and so if my posting prompts anyone here to look into legal highs in a bit more depth and gain a bit of understanding of the potential damage they can cause to our youth and community - then good - job done.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
1) Legal Highs can be lethal
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So can bee stings.


It reads from your posts as though you have some direct, unpleasant experience of legal highs and their effect on youngsters. If that is the case then I am sorry as it must have been difficult.

However, legal highs are the same as most (I exclude crack, PCP and crystal meth from this) substances that we use to change our brains and bodies, in that in moderation, they are pretty much fine. Whether they are legal or not is not that much of an influencing factor in my opinion or (rather extensive) experience.

A few tabs won't give you lung cancer. Two glasses of wine won't cause cirrhosis. Experimentation or occasional use in moderation with just about anything, and I absolutely include any legal high drugs in that, will not kill you or even cause permanent damage.

However, 100 cigarettes a day will end your life sooner rather than later. 3 bottles of wine a day will kill you eventually. A daily addiction to everything from heroin to speed to weed will irreversibly mess you up in the end. And legal highs are the same I would argue. Knock them back like smarties every day and you will end up in a right royal pickle.

Everything in moderation would be my advice. And try anything once...

Oh, and having met a few, Premiership footballers are usually insular, vain, pampered, overpaid, ignorant, shallow, morons. I also have a few interesting 100% true anecdotes on certain Premiership stars involving all kinds of substance abuse but could not possibly post them.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Hmmm - I'm alone in this then - and hesitate to suggest you may all be missing my point - well two points.

1) Legal Highs can be lethal and many only remain legal because legislation hasn't caught up. Meanwhile we are trying to teach our youngsters that it is very dangerous to dabble in legal highs as you never know what the hell it is and what it might do to you.

2) Whatever NO 'actually' is - it's been described in the media as a 'legal high'; Kyle Walker has been reported as admitting to having having taken a legal high; Kyle Walker has not been punished (correctly) nor has her been reprimanded in any way by the FA or PFA for 'dabbling in legal highs' - exactly the thing we are trying to warn our teens against doing. Brilliant.

It's disappointing the degree of ignorance that exists in the public conscience on this subject - and so if my posting prompts anyone here to look into legal highs in a bit more depth and gain a bit of understanding of the potential damage they can cause to our youth and community - then good - job done.
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You are absolutely correct that legal highs are not widely appreciated by the general public - but if you realise that, then you must also be able to realise that what Kyle Walker has been photographed doing is a million miles from the same.

You do not know the communication that would have been had with him, his club, the FA & PFA - he has spoken out about the error in his judgment and that should be sufficient.

Legal highs and the pursuit of them changes on a daily basis and keeping track of trends is impossible let alone predicting those to come. In the industry I work in we receive more and more requests to be able to detect, monitor and report on such highs. Their use is a prominent point of discussion.
 
You're making the mistake of believing that the press, first and foremost, report events as tbey have actually happened. They are businesses and need to make profit.
"England Footballer sniffs Laughing Gas" will sell precisly zero newspapers or get zero hits on a website. Ring in the "legal high" buzzword and sales rocket.

I don't honestly think anyone believes that nothibg should be done about these substances but in this instance it's such a non-story that the phrase "never let the facts get in the way of a good story" springs to mind.
 
All i know is, I regret not giving the gas and air a good go when mrs rooter was popping sproggs. It was 100% free in the hospital!
 
Imurg said:
You're making the mistake of believing that the press, first and foremost, report events as tbey have actually happened. They are businesses and need to make profit.
"England Footballer sniffs Laughing Gas" will sell precisly zero newspapers or get zero hits on a website. Ring in the "legal high" buzzword and sales rocket.

I don't honestly think anyone believes that nothibg should be done about these substances but in this instance it's such a non-story that the phrase "never let the facts get in the way of a good story" springs to mind.
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Look - I'm not believing the press. But the point is that the press have reported KW as taking a legal high and not getting any censure. And that is it. Footballer takes legal high - says sorry. All I'm saying is that for KW a simple censure by the FA or PFA on the grounds of bringing the game into disrepute or misconduct would have done and would have sent a message out to mitigate the exaggerated reporting of what was I agree a minor incident.
 
England going into a crucial game in a major tournament and a rag of a paper brings up a story that happened last year? That isn't even a story to try and disrupt the England team.

It happens every time England are in the World Cup, Euros, the rag top press try dig up some dirt to disrupt the team.

The FA should be taking actions against these so called journalists in my eyes, in no other country would a national newspaper try to cause unrest in their national squad during a big tournament.
 
Snelly said:
So can bee stings.


It reads from your posts as though you have some direct, unpleasant experience of legal highs and their effect on youngsters. If that is the case then I am sorry as it must have been difficult.

However, legal highs are the same as most (I exclude crack, PCP and crystal meth from this) substances that we use to change our brains and bodies, in that in moderation, they are pretty much fine. Whether they are legal or not is not that much of an influencing factor in my opinion or (rather extensive) experience.

A few tabs won't give you lung cancer. Two glasses of wine won't cause cirrhosis. Experimentation or occasional use in moderation with just about anything, and I absolutely include any legal high drugs in that, will not kill you or even cause permanent damage.

However, 100 cigarettes a day will end your life sooner rather than later. 3 bottles of wine a day will kill you eventually. A daily addiction to everything from heroin to speed to weed will irreversibly mess you up in the end. And legal highs are the same I would argue. Knock them back like smarties every day and you will end up in a right royal pickle.

Everything in moderation would be my advice. And try anything once...

Oh, and having met a few, Premiership footballers are usually insular, vain, pampered, overpaid, ignorant, shallow, morons. I also have a few interesting 100% true anecdotes on certain Premiership stars involving all kinds of substance abuse but could not possibly post them.
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Same can be said about quite a few Golfers,Cricketers & Rugby players.
 
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