Knee hight drop

[Colin L]

At least he plays

...... and in his position no doubt on many fine courses for free.

 

[rulefan]

cynic

 

[Colin L]

I don't envy someone else his perks. I was, after all, a teacher once upon a time and could eat all the chalk I wanted.

 

[jim8flog]

I don't envy someone else his perks. I was, after all, a teacher once upon a time and could eat all the chalk I wanted.

I used to get my calcium from the free school milk, did you not get where you taught?

 

[Colin L]

Only as a pupil at school. I started teaching in an independent school and by the time I was back in the state sector, the free rations of milk for pupils had finished.

 

[williamalex1]

Only as a pupil at school. I started teaching in an independent school and by the time I was back in the state sector, the free rations of milk for pupils had finished.

How far could you throw a blackboard duster in your hay day ?

 

[rksquire]

I don't think it's that disturbing to be honest, and context as well as his understanding of the question posed is relevant and that's not to question backwoodsman either. Was this the final and complete rules meeting or were there more to follow? Did you think the question referred to the height of the knee in any position? He may not have known then, pretty sure he knows now.

Also I find the image below really interesting in the context of Garcia's drop on Sunday (albeit he got to place it in the end). But imagine being on a slope with rough that will hold the ball - in the top left image, standing upright at the bottom of the slope leaning forward to drop, your knee could potentially be level with where you're dropping.

 

[williamalex1]

This will suit Lord Tyrion right down to the ground

 

[clubchamp98]

The Chairman's role almost certainly does not involve Rules. The ET Tour is a big business. Look at his background. That's what he was recruited for. He has Paramor to sort out Rules

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I hope he dosnt make this sort of mistake after a business meeting.

 

[Colin L]

It's unfortunate that the bottom right diagram, which is intended to be helpful, has in fact led to the misunderstanding that it is not permitted to drop a ball when squatting. I expect the idea was to show a player who mistakenly thought that knee height was wherever your knees happened to be.

 

[rulie]

You seem to be mixing the establishment of knee height, and it's application to a given situation here.
The diagrams are purely the establishment (for those that need it) of a height equal to the distance between the ground and your knee - for average Joe that's going to be around 530mm.
In any situation you should drop the ball from your hand held at that distance above the point on the ground that the ball will land. You can be do it from any physical position that enables you to do that.

Duncan, I think Interpretation 14.3b(2)/1 says otherwise.

 

[duncan mackie]

Duncan, I think Interpretation 14.3b(2)/1 says otherwise.

You are polite in your choice of words - basically it's completely the opposite, which also makes the diagrams even more misleading!
I've deleted the post to avoid confusing others who get there before here; but it will remain quoted in this post where hopefully people will see this with your comment at the same time

 

[jim8flog]

The real question though is

Is it the height to the top middle or bottom of the knee?

 

[williamalex1]

The real question though is

Is it the height to the top middle or bottom of the knee?

No kneed to stoop that low.

 

[backwoodsman]

The real question though is

Is it the height to the top middle or bottom of the knee

One assumes you have especially big , or nobbly, knees then? Personally, makes not that much difference to me

 

[cliveb]

Many at my club have agreed that it would have been better to rule that you should drop from your hand with your arm hanging down by your side. It's only a few inches higher and there's no need for the more senior players to struggle trying to get their hand down to knee level.

 

[rulefan]

Many at my club have agreed that it would have been better to rule that you should drop from your hand with your arm hanging down by your side. It's only a few inches higher and there's no need for the more senior players to struggle trying to get their hand down to knee level.

A tall person could still face the issues the RBs identified.

The new procedure lowers the height from which the ball is dropped to increase the chance that it stays within the relief area.
Allowing the player to drop a ball from knee height will help to limit the extent to which a ball will embed in sand in a bunker.

 

[cliveb]

A tall person could still face the issues the RBs identified.

The new procedure lowers the height from which the ball is dropped to increase the chance that it stays within the relief area.
Allowing the player to drop a ball from knee height will help to limit the extent to which a ball will embed in sand in a bunker.

If these are the primary reasons for dropping from a low height, why did they abandon the idea of dropping from 1 inch? If that was considered too close to placing the ball, why not drop from 6", or 12"? It strikes me that they've tried to select a height that is fairly low but have inadvertently chosen one that potentially causes confusion.

 

[Colin L]

No kneed to stoop that low.

Get your coat, thank you.

 

[Colin L]

Many at my club have agreed that it would have been better to rule that you should drop from your hand with your arm hanging down by your side. It's only a few inches higher and there's no need for the more senior players to struggle trying to get their hand down to knee level.

i'm sitll intrigued by this pictures of the more senior players struggling to get a hand down to knee level. Are any of these seniors unable to tee up their ball? If they can, then dropping from knee height is a great deal easier.

Of the seniors I know (a small sample obviously), I have only known one who for a while could not tee up his ball and used a gadget to do it.

To be practical about it, you don't have to stand with your feet together and bend from the waist. For a right-handed drop, take a step forward with your left leg, knee foward and your hand is near enough knee height without bending your back. Give it a try and see if you think it helpful.