Kevin Peitersen - TalkSport Interview

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So, after his new book got everyone talking, TalkSport had him in the studio yesterday afternoon. Anyone here listen to the show?

From my viewpoint, he's a flawed genius, a world class cricketer with inbuilt self destruct qualities. How many times did he lay the foundations of a great innings only to throw it away with an ill-disciplined shot ? Yesterdays interview didn't do anything to dispel those thoughts. I thought it was a "me,me,me" interview.

I agreed when he was dropped, he should have been dropped long before IMO and not given a contract in 2012.

What do others make of the KP situation now he's had his say in his new book. Has the book cleared things up or is it just another self obsessed KP self destruct project ?
 
Its always been about him. He was always more interested about what he scored rather than the team. Wanted to be the centre of attention all the time and just had to go for the big shots even when the team desperately needed anything but.

A true great sportsman can play different styles to suit the situation but KP was always all or nothing.

Was great to watch on his day and really enjoyed when he played well but when we needed stability in an innings and he gets out trying to hoof a 6 off a left arm pie chucker it pissed me off!!

Thanks for the memories Kevin but you can shove your book up your arse.
 
I'm about a 1/3 of the way through the book currently

The one thing that is clear is that there will be no winners just losers out of this. KP has had his career cut short and to many comes across as the problem, the ECB have been laid pretty bare as a shambles or an organisation, not fit to run a national sport, and several other individuals have been shown to not be the people they have tried to portray.

All in all, a pretty sad story all told, and for me the majority of the blame sits within the ECB and several key decision makers, worryingly most of whom still have jobs!

Time for a complete clear out at the ECB and to get in people who actually care about our national team, rather than a group of self serving bureaucrats who are more concerned with their old boys network, making themselves look good and keep themselves in jobs, irrespective of the damage they do.

Clarke, Downton, Whittaker, Flower, Fraser, Moores cleansed from the ECB would be a great start imho
 
Self centred, self obsessed, narcissistic. Remember when Balotelli said, "Why always me?" Same applies here. Why a grown man expects to get special treatment and constant managing is frankly pathetic. Pietersen was part of a team yet constantly wanted to be treated separately.

The amazing part is that this did not happen earlier. The cut off should have been after the Strauss texts, he should never have been brought back after that, it was never going to work as he had lost the trust of his fellow players.

I do not excuse poor behaviour from other players towards him. If bullying took place then that should be looked at but my own belief is that Pietersen is so self obsessed and so much a victim, in his eyes, that he saw enemies and conspiracies everywhere.

Now I think he will disappear from the scene. He has become a 20-20 mercenary, too grand to play 4 day cricket, and his record in that recently has been poor. He has burnt his bridges in England and I suspect he will end up in S.Africa or Australia where he can continue to whine about being a victim. No one else seems to have suffered, "why always you" Kevin?
 
Frighteningly, I'm more concerned that the ECB have a dossier on him which basically consists of a key player telling the coach that he thinks he is wrong on a number of different things, and who when he gets outs swears a lot. Oh, and who thinks that it's a good thing to take the younger players out for a drink.

Put all of those things against the name of Ian Botham , Allan Lamb and many others and it would be considered normal / acceptable.

But to have a national sporting body having a dossier on someone like that concerns me much more.
 
sev112 said:
Frighteningly, I'm more concerned that the ECB have a dossier on him which basically consists of a key player telling the coach that he thinks he is wrong on a number of different things, and who when he gets outs swears a lot. Oh, and who thinks that it's a good thing to take the younger players out for a drink.

Put all of those things against the name of Ian Botham , Allan Lamb and many others and it would be considered normal / acceptable.

But to have a national sporting body having a dossier on someone like that concerns me much more.
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lots of employers have dossiers on their workforce,the guy loved himself and was a destructive influence,good riddance when he got booted out.
 
DCB said:
So, after his new book got everyone talking, TalkSport had him in the studio yesterday afternoon. Anyone here listen to the show?

From my viewpoint, he's a flawed genius, a world class cricketer with inbuilt self destruct qualities. How many times did he lay the foundations of a great innings only to throw it away with an ill-disciplined shot ? Yesterdays interview didn't do anything to dispel those thoughts. I thought it was a "me,me,me" interview.

I agreed when he was dropped, he should have been dropped long before IMO and not given a contract in 2012.

What do others make of the KP situation now he's had his say in his new book. Has the book cleared things up or is it just another self obsessed KP self destruct project ?
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Only have to read the title of each one of his chapters to realise how self important and arrogant the man is

Wonderfully gifted cricketer but there is a reason why he has created problem after problem at each country he has been at and also within SA cricket and England

England need a person of his ability in the team but not the atittude
 
Can't stand him and hope the book flops. Arrogant and destructive at times - always about him and his innings rather than what the team might have needed. Hugely talented but sometimes that's not enough imho...sick of seeing him on the TV at the moment flogging his wares.
 
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fundy said:
I'm about a 1/3 of the way through the book currently

The one thing that is clear is that there will be no winners just losers out of this. KP has had his career cut short and to many comes across as the problem, the ECB have been laid pretty bare as a shambles or an organisation, not fit to run a national sport, and several other individuals have been shown to not be the people they have tried to portray.

All in all, a pretty sad story all told, and for me the majority of the blame sits within the ECB and several key decision makers, worryingly most of whom still have jobs!

Time for a complete clear out at the ECB and to get in people who actually care about our national team, rather than a group of self serving bureaucrats who are more concerned with their old boys network, making themselves look good and keep themselves in jobs, irrespective of the damage they do.

Clarke, Downton, Whittaker, Flower, Fraser, Moores cleansed from the ECB would be a great start imho
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This. Voice of sense amongst the predictable noise.

The management structure should have been in place to accommodate his talent and personality. It's a English disease that every team member has to be cookie cut and conform. Sorry, but that doesn't work and why we are in the mess we're in now. Vaughan, Boycott, Brearley, etc. had the knowledge, intelligence and flair to handle such 'Mavericks'. Flower and Cook's regime was based on 11 players doing roughly the same thing. All well and good when things are going well, but as soon as there's a loss, then the English blame game rears its head, and someone has to be the scapegoat. This time it was KP. What about Cook batting like a drain, what about Anderson bowling crap, what about Broad just trundling in, what about Swann and Prior jacking it in when they fancy? These boys are part of the old boys network and are untouchable - seems like a lot of what KP has said has ruffled some big feathers because the mud is sticking.

The ECB is now the laughing stock of the cricket world, with their comical dossier on KP, their inability to do anything about the dressing room led Twitter account, and their blatant failure to properly explain why KP was stopped from playing. It seems that Freddie in a pedalo, Anderson urinating on the pitch, Anderson sledging, abusing and dropping his shoulder, or Root out drinking late aren't worthy of a dossier or a kangaroo court to get dismissed. It's obvious that Flower wanted KP out and with his Ashes success and being the no.1 team at the time, the weak ECB bent over to accommodate. It's laughable that almost all those in senior positions overseeing the dreadful performance in the last year are still in the ECB! How can that be?

Most laugh at KP saying he's not a team player and what he says being a pack of lies. The power underpinning his story is the gradual backup he is getting from other lesser known players such Carberry, Tremlett, etc. saying there was bullying. Ponting, Stewart, Smith all add their weight in his favour. The only ones disputing are those he has directed his story at - funny that.

This isn't a post that fully backs KP. I realise he is an awkward character. It's just that we are now seeing the fuller picture and why the blame should also focus on the other senior players and, tellingly, the laughable ECB.
 
Is that the same KP who went behind his captains back and was texting the SA team ?

Whilst the ECB has faults ( no one seemed to complain when the formula got England to number 1 in both test and one day ) it's quite clear KP only had one loyalty - to KP

Only have to see himself trying to whore himself around to sell the book - it's pathetic

Why does this keep happening to KP

At Natal then SA ? Then his counties in the UK and then England - one common donominator in it all - KP
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Is that the same KP who went behind his captains back and was texting the SA team ?

Whilst the ECB has faults ( no one seemed to complain when the formula got England to number 1 in both test and one day ) it's quite clear KP only had one loyalty - to KP

Only have to see himself trying to whore himself around to sell the book - it's pathetic

Why does this keep happening to KP

At Natal then SA ? Then his counties in the UK and then England - one common donominator in it all - KP
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The textgate thing was out of order and he's admitted that. No one has come out and said sorry about the fake Twitter account though have they? No one from the ECB has come out and countered anything raised...perhaps because their case is as flimsy as our effort in The Ashes last winter.

LP, complaints were made about the regime whilst we were no 1. According to KP, he informed Flower of the poor things going on but no one is going to act as things were going well; KP would then have been labelling as a troublemaker. Seeing as the ECB can't or won't comment on this, then we have only his versions of events to go on. If it's all lies, then let's see the liable writs come flooding in then please.

The best players in the world tend to like themselves too much, that's their trait in what makes them good. Singular drive to be the best, with focussed goals means their approach is different to the run of the mill players. It rubs people up the wrong way. It's up to the captain and management to make the best use of the talent available. I'm sure Ronaldo is not shy of a narcissistic streak or had a whinge at his team or manager. Can't see him being 'sacked' though. I think cricket can learn a hell of lot from football about integrating egos. Therefore all in the team environment need to adapt and get on, not just dressing rooms throwing their toys out because they can't get on, whether its Natal, Notts, Hants or Surrey.

Everyone releasing a book 'whores' it up. It's the way the book world works. Keane, Redknapp, Ferdinand, Henry all pedalling their wares to get publicity space.
 
I totally agree with Amanda and LP

The man clearly is a total and utter knob, maybe a genius cricketer, but someone who's ego us far bigger than his ability. I'd be happy never to see him play in this country ever again. Almost every sports writer has countered the arguments in his book, I've yet to seet any support for him.

Someone said a while ago, maybe on the forum or in a conversation, about a lady who wasn't into cricket who sat next to him at a dinner and he talked about himself from start to finish, although she had no idea who he was or knew anything about cricket! We are well shot!
 
Piece said:
The textgate thing was out of order and he's admitted that. No one has come out and said sorry about the fake Twitter account though have they? No one from the ECB has come out and countered anything raised...perhaps because their case is as flimsy as our effort in The Ashes last winter.

LP, complaints were made about the regime whilst we were no 1. According to KP, he informed Flower of the poor things going on but no one is going to act as things were going well; KP would then have been labelling as a troublemaker. Seeing as the ECB can't or won't comment on this, then we have only his versions of events to go on. If it's all lies, then let's see the liable writs come flooding in then please.

The best players in the world tend to like themselves too much, that's their trait in what makes them good. Singular drive to be the best, with focussed goals means their approach is different to the run of the mill players. It rubs people up the wrong way. It's up to the captain and management to make the best use of the talent available. I'm sure Ronaldo is not shy of a narcissistic streak or had a whinge at his team or manager. Can't see him being 'sacked' though. I think cricket can learn a hell of lot from football about integrating egos. Therefore all in the team environment need to adapt and get on, not just dressing rooms throwing their toys out because they can't get on, whether its Natal, Notts, Hants or Surrey.

Everyone releasing a book 'whores' it up. It's the way the book world works. Keane, Redknapp, Ferdinand, Henry all pedalling their wares to get publicity space.
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But the rest of the team can adapt to each other ?

It appears though that its just one person who cant get on - does that mean everyone needs to adapt just to accomodate one person ?

Every team he has played in he has had issues - the link is very obvious.

Lots of the best players in the world still enable themselves to work within the team - cricketers definalty

Yes be arrogant - but allow yourself space to work in a team - please read the chapter headings in his book - it just screams self self self.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But the rest of the team can adapt to each other ?

It appears though that its just one person who cant get on - does that mean everyone needs to adapt just to accomodate one person ?

Every team he has played in he has had issues - the link is very obvious.

Lots of the best players in the world still enable themselves to work within the team - cricketers definalty

Yes be arrogant - but allow yourself space to work in a team - please read the chapter headings in his book - it just screams self self self.
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have you read the book or just the chapter headings? im guessing just the latter

Amazing how many people can ignore a national authority treating different players with completely double standards and operating as an old boys network when the individual being wronged has too big an ego and they dont like him. That his ego and personality somehow makes it right for the way the ECB and those within it has acted
 
I have no intention of reading his book - was a good listen about it on talksport the other night with various cricketers both young and old and its all the same opinion - wonderful cricketer

How many authorities is to blame ? The counties he has fallen out with , the countries ? are they all to blame for the issue of Mr Kevin Peiterson ?

Yes the ECB has issues and things like the twitter account needed sorted but Kevin Pieterson went behind his captain and his teams back and was texting the opposition ? sorry but thats unforgivable - thats not the fault of any old boys network or the the ECB - thats Kevin Pieterson being a "traitor" to his team and his captain who im led to believe was a very big supporter of Pieterson.

Believe it was also Prior who was first to suggest allowing Pieterson back into the fold along with others that Pieterson has turned on.

The ECB should accept blame for the way things work at times but Mr Kevin Pieterson needs to shoulder a great deal of blame for a great deals of issues he has had.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I have no intention of reading his book - was a good listen about it on talksport the other night with various cricketers both young and old and its all the same opinion - wonderful cricketer

How many authorities is to blame ? The counties he has fallen out with , the countries ? are they all to blame for the issue of Mr Kevin Peiterson ?

Yes the ECB has issues and things like the twitter account needed sorted but Kevin Pieterson went behind his captain and his teams back and was texting the opposition ? sorry but thats unforgivable - thats not the fault of any old boys network or the the ECB - thats Kevin Pieterson being a "traitor" to his team and his captain who im led to believe was a very big supporter of Pieterson.

Believe it was also Prior who was first to suggest allowing Pieterson back into the fold along with others that Pieterson has turned on.

The ECB should accept blame for the way things work at times but Mr Kevin Pieterson needs to shoulder a great deal of blame for a great deals of issues he has had.
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The twitter, account, the dossier, leaking private conversations between KP and Flower to make KP look bad the list goes on the double standards the ECB operated, oh and it wasnt just against KP either, several others have suffered at the hands of the ECB old boys network the last 10 yrs.

As for who hes fallen out with, not all his fault imo albeit you'll clearly disagree. Several coaches (eg Fletcher) have had no probs getting the best out of him, no real surprise hes fallen out with some of the others based on what went on.

But keep reading the stories and believing the picture that the ECB and their puppet journos are feeding you, settling for the double standards that are constantly being used in running one of our national sports.

If you read the book (and some of the evidence from other players/former players), you'd actually read that KP has admitted he made plenty of mistakes and put his hand up for them, sadly the same cant be said for the ECB who are constantly trying to cover their tracks and keep their jobs whilst finding suitable scapegoats
 
fundy said:
The twitter, account, the dossier, leaking private conversations between KP and Flower to make KP look bad the list goes on the double standards the ECB operated, oh and it wasnt just against KP either, several others have suffered at the hands of the ECB old boys network the last 10 yrs.

As for who hes fallen out with, not all his fault imo albeit you'll clearly disagree. Several coaches (eg Fletcher) have had no probs getting the best out of him, no real surprise hes fallen out with some of the others based on what went on.

But keep reading the stories and believing the picture that the ECB and their puppet journos are feeding you, settling for the double standards that are constantly being used in running one of our national sports.

If you read the book (and some of the evidence from other players/former players), you'd actually read that KP has admitted he made plenty of mistakes and put his hand up for them, sadly the same cant be said for the ECB who are constantly trying to cover their tracks and keep their jobs whilst finding suitable scapegoats
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I dont read papers Steve and i was getting my info from listening to him and other cricketers

Kevin Pieterson has had issues at every club and every national team set up he has been a part of - he is the common link between all that. The ECB werent involved when he had his issues with Natal and SA or Hants or Notts - whilst he wont be fully to blame - its clear he is a character that divides things - and thats always going to be a struggle when it comes to being part of a team.

Lets not also forgot the ECB gave him the captaincy and he repaid them by trying and succeeding in a getting a good coach the sack.

If it was just Kevin Pieterson the cricketer then things would be fine - the problem is he has an ego the size of his cricketing ability and even on the field that was starting to take over - he wasnt playing poorly he just let his ego get in the way of playing for the team/.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I dont read papers Steve and i was getting my info from listening to him and other cricketers

Kevin Pieterson has had issues at every club and every national team set up he has been a part of - he is the common link between all that. The ECB werent involved when he had his issues with Natal and SA or Hants or Notts - whilst he wont be fully to blame - its clear he is a character that divides things - and thats always going to be a struggle when it comes to being part of a team.

Lets not also forgot the ECB gave him the captaincy and he repaid them by trying and succeeding in a getting a good coach the sack.

If it was just Kevin Pieterson the cricketer then things would be fine - the problem is he has an ego the size of his cricketing ability and even on the field that was starting to take over - he wasnt playing poorly he just let his ego get in the way of playing for the team/.
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you dont read the papers but believe what the ECB have pushed on this issue. Abundantly not clear that KP got him sacked if you read the book and corroborating stories, but hey thats what they want you to believe.

Vaughan had no probs captaining/managing him and may be worth reading around why Vaughan resigned (that led to KP becoming captain) as to the coaching issue that was in place (and KP is reported to have had sacked!)
 
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fundy said:
you dont read the papers but believe what the ECB have pushed on this issue. Abundantly not clear that KP got him sacked if you read the book and corroborating stories, but hey thats what they want you to believe
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Or believe what other players like Strauss and even Moores himself has said - KP hasnt exactly shown himself to be the truest test of character so ill take a lot of what he says with a pinch of salt.
 
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Or believe what other players like Strauss and even Moores himself has said - KP hasnt exactly shown himself to be the truest test of character so ill take a lot of what he says with a pinch of salt.
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So you choose to believe the people he has criticised rather than a neutral in the issue such as Vaughan? Your choice I guess
 
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