Jordainian Pilot Burned Alive!!!!!!

I think most would agree that ISIS need to be stopped in their tracks, and preferably wiped off the face of the earth. These people are savages, intent on mass murder and need to be stopped before the cancer spreads any further.

It then comes down to who does the stopping, be that the UN, NATO, an Arab Coalition, who knows??

One thing is sure. Whoever does the stopping will only succeed if they carry out terrible acts of their own, thats what it is to be at war and unfortunately this is the only language these animals understand. To my mind they are a different type of enemy, no hearts or minds to be won over with them, and certainly no negotiating table that they can be brought to.
 
lobthewedge said:
I think most would agree that ISIS need to be stopped in their tracks, and preferably wiped off the face of the earth. These people are savages, intent on mass murder and need to be stopped before the cancer spreads any further.

It then comes down to who does the stopping, be that the UN, NATO, an Arab Coalition, who knows??

One thing is sure. Whoever does the stopping will only succeed if they carry out terrible acts of their own, thats what it is to be at war and unfortunately this is the only language these animals understand. To my mind they are a different type of enemy, no hearts or minds to be won over with them, and certainly no negotiating table that they can be brought to.
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I'd go with what he said
 
lobthewedge said:
To my mind they are a different type of enemy, no hearts or minds to be won over with them, and certainly no negotiating table that they can be brought to.
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With the 1000s flocking to ISIS perhaps hearts and minds needs to be very high on any agenda.

Unfortunatly unless they are wiped of the face of the Earth the only way you can bring about any resolution is by negotiation.
 
Old Skier said:
With the 1000s flocking to ISIS perhaps hearts and minds needs to be very high on any agenda.

Unfortunatly unless they are wiped of the face of the Earth the only way you can bring about any resolution is by negotiation.
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I believe the Jordanians were trying to negotiate a prisoner swap with them, even though they seem to have murdered the pilot weeks ago.

Like I said earlier, I don't see there being any middle ground with these animals, they are in it to the death, and whatever coalition finally stands up to seriously tackle them should be prepared for that.
 
The Arab mindset is nothing like yours or mine and what we might consider brutal murder most probably won't make many living in the Middle East blink hence the reprisal and hanging of someone who had nothing to do with ISIS. They are countries led by brutal regimes.

It was not that long ago that a nation in Europe was as brutal as ISIS and responsible for a lot more deaths.
 
Old Skier said:
The Arab mindset is nothing like yours or mine and what we might consider brutal murder most probably won't make many living in the Middle East blink hence the reprisal and hanging of someone who had nothing to do with ISIS. They are countries led by brutal regimes.

It was not that long ago that a nation in Europe was as brutal as ISIS and responsible for a lot more deaths.
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Diplomacy didn't work too well with them either!

Edit - the woman that the Jordanians hung was linked to Isis, in that they named her as part of the prisoner swap with the Japanese prisoner.
 
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I would say that lets not be generic in regards Arabs etc - lets not lump them all together.
 
I had to laugh when the news reporter said that she had been involved in several suicide bombings........obviously not very good at it then is she.
 
Old Skier said:
Agreed but she's been in the nick for a decade, long before ISIS came into being.
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ISIS/ISIL/ISI have been around in some guise or another for a very long time. It's simply one of many heads representing a destructive ideology that tries to justify it's self under the banner of a long standing and world wide religion. The names change and they don't follow the IRA naming convention but to think that ISIS are only a recent thing is to massively underestimate them.
 
palindromicbob said:
ISIS/ISIL/ISI have been around in some guise or another for a very long time. It's simply one of many heads representing a destructive ideology that tries to justify it's self under the banner of a long standing and world wide religion. The names change and they don't follow the IRA naming convention but to think that ISIS are only a recent thing is to massively underestimate them.
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This is were things get very complicated when dealing with all the variouse factions - she was apparently Al Qaeda - a faction who hate ISIS/ISIL/ISI. Arab tribalism is far more complicated than that north of Hadrians Wall :confused:.
 
Old Skier said:
This is were things get very complicated when dealing with all the variouse factions - she was apparently Al Qaeda - a faction who hate ISIS/ISIL/ISI. Arab tribalism is far more complicated than that north of Hadrians Wall :confused:.
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It is but I was in the middle of many situations when the IRA were killing INLA (and visa-versa) and also the flip side with UFF, UVF and UDA killing each other, all for greater power and control. There will always be various factions, some will be more well known than others but the splinter groups can be just as dangerous but not as actively known as there acts are not as often or reported.

Not sure why IS wanted her TBH, but as you state, she was known to be more on the side of Al Qaeda, maybe they had something special lined up for her?
 
Fish said:
It is but I was in the middle of many situations when the IRA were killing INLA (and visa-versa) and also the flip side with UFF, UVF and UDA killing each other, all for greater power and control. There will always be various factions, some will be more well known than others but the splinter groups can be just as dangerous but not as actively known as there acts are not as often or reported.

Not sure why IS wanted her TBH, but as you state, she was known to be more on the side of Al Qaeda, maybe they had something special lined up for her?
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When she failed and was caught, the other suicide bomber was her husband(his bomb went off), her brother-in-law was high up in another group which years later joined up with other groups to found IS, he has since been killed and she was looked at by IS as one of the founders!!
 
That was more to do with turf wars and protection rackets than any ideology though.

Not an expert, far from it, but I do get the impression Isis etc are about ideology (twisted as it is) as opposed to who gets the protection money from Ladbrokes.
 
Old Skier said:
And didnt we just love it :)
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It just seemed crazy being scrambled to a fire fight amongst themselves, just let them get on with it I said, was a bit messy clearing up afterwards though and the following few days on patrol you just didn't know what the reaction would be until you found out what it was all about. 1st tour 4-days after my 18th birthday in the 70's, never grew up so quickly in all my life!

The enemy with these extremists are not much different, no uniform and hit soft targets, we need to starve them of weapons and funds as their going to keep growing otherwise, no easy answer but certainly as soon as any British National leaves our shores to train/fight, they should be on a worldwide flight ban and never be allowed to return, as all were doing is stock piling sleepers!
 
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