Jordainian Pilot Burned Alive!!!!!!

Just been reading that Jordan have moved the prisoners that they hold linked to IS to a prison that is used for executions.

Let's hope other countries (including UK ) follow suit with genuine action against IS.
 
It needs boots on the ground from a major coalition. But the UN will not allow it yet, not sure why when they have allowed troop into other conflict zones.

Sad aswell I for one would volunteer my services to my country to take part in the fight against this to provide safety for future generations. The sad thing is I tried to re-enlist but due to a mistake at a party over 19 years ago. I'm not allowed to serve. I even appealed the decision but to no avail. And here our country is struggling to meet recruitment targets. Ludicrous.

But over here we need to deport not house these jihadists. But accidentally sink every plane transporting them en-route. Un-piloted flights better to have them drown and suffer than a short peaceful death for how they turn against the society that has offered them a peaceful democratic existence.
 
stevelev said:
It needs boots on the ground from a major coalition. But the UN will not allow it yet, not sure why when they have allowed troop into other conflict zones.

Sad aswell I for one would volunteer my services to my country to take part in the fight against this to provide safety for future generations. The sad thing is I tried to re-enlist but due to a mistake at a party over 19 years ago. I'm not allowed to serve. I even appealed the decision but to no avail. And here our country is struggling to meet recruitment targets. Ludicrous.

But over here we need to deport not house these jihadists. But accidentally sink every plane transporting them en-route. Un-piloted flights better to have them drown and suffer than a short peaceful death for how they turn against the society that has offered them a peaceful democratic existence.
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Could just set the flight path over Ukraine and let the Russians get theirs hands dirty.
 
Mark1751 said:
I understand if it happens it should be reported but do we need the graphic pictures that you see on the daily mail website? (As an example) I think by limiting the amount of graphic pictures maybe it could help. I don't appreciate seeing the before and after images of a man being thrown to his death from a rooftop but some will and may see it and want to join up? I don't think that there is a right answer with this.
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I was thinking the same however concluded that they are showing the pictures to MAKE US demand a response which in a way is what people are demanding - so it's kinda working (people are controlled by the media don't you know). If they didn't show it then we might not really give a stuff.

I find the pictures disgusting, I have seen things I'd quite like to 'unsee', and certainly wouldn't want my kids reading about this kind of stuff right now.... I appreciate it's the world we live in but some of this stuff really is mankinds lowest of low.
 
The world knows where IS strongholds are, we need to give them a warning to disband and if they don't, the whole UN community should join forces and eradicate them!

Harsh, but the civilised world can't let the atrocities they commit go on
 
Sickening barbarity. The main issue for me is that we are dealing with a medieval culture with medieval values, religious oppression and unfortunately, medieval shock punishments. What next? drawing and quartering? We in the west are on the whole above this. We used to be just the same but have moved on mostly due to democracy and education. In the west we re-create barbarity now for entertainment (Game of Thrones etc) but in the middle east it's often still very real. Talk of an eye for an eye etc is just a retrograde step. Will the executions this morning in Jordan improve things? I think not. Troops on the ground won't work. It gives the militants traction with the people they seek to oppress and for every fighter eliminated another ten will be growing up hating the west for waging war on Islam. The only solution will be an Arab/Muslim solution and may (as has been said this week) take generations......but it will happen as eventually the people will make it happen. Those who criticise overseas aid should look carefully at what proper schools, education and training can do in these countries. That's where our investment should be rather than pouring millions (billions?) into failed military campaigns.
 
Fyldewhite said:
Sickening barbarity. The main issue for me is that we are dealing with a medieval culture with medieval values, religious oppression and unfortunately, medieval shock punishments. What next? drawing and quartering? We in the west are on the whole above this. We used to be just the same but have moved on mostly due to democracy and education. In the west we re-create barbarity now for entertainment (Game of Thrones etc) but in the middle east it's often still very real. Talk of an eye for an eye etc is just a retrograde step. Will the executions this morning in Jordan improve things? I think not. Troops on the ground won't work. It gives the militants traction with the people they seek to oppress and for every fighter eliminated another ten will be growing up hating the west for waging war on Islam. The only solution will be an Arab/Muslim solution and may (as has been said this week) take generations......but it will happen as eventually the people will make it happen. Those who criticise overseas aid should look carefully at what proper schools, education and training can do in these countries. That's where our investment should be rather than pouring millions (billions?) into failed military campaigns.
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Unfortunately for the Middle East in particular and for the rest of the world who are caught up in their spasms you are dead right (IMHO).

Nothing we do will fix this in 10 years, good schools and education might fix it in 50. Tragic really
 
chrisd said:
The world knows where IS strongholds are, we need to give them a warning to disband and if they don't, the whole UN community should join forces and eradicate them!

Harsh, but the civilised world can't let the atrocities they commit go on
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If you think the UN are strong enough to do this you'll have to think again. The best thing that happened in Bosnia was when we threw away the blue berets and went back to being NATO forces.
 
Purely out of 'moral conscience'....

A fighter plane goes over your house, drops a bomb which incinerates your 3 children, you hear them screaming just before the house collapses on them.... you then capture the pilot of said plane.... then what?
 
I wouldn't ruin the memory of my family throwing my morals away by dropping to their level - would hand him to the authorities and let the law that I abide by deal with him.
 
JustOne said:
Purely out of 'moral conscience'....

A fighter plane goes over your house, drops a bomb which incinerates your 3 children, you hear them screaming just before the house collapses on them.... you then capture the pilot of said plane.... then what?
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The instinctive side of me would say he wouldn't make it to any cage, I'd beat him to death there and then. But, the reasoned side of me would say hand him to authorities........after I'd beaten him unconscious!

I seriously doubt anyone could give an honest answer without being in that position though.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I wouldn't ruin the memory of my family throwing my morals away by dropping to their level - would hand him to the authorities and let the law that I abide by deal with him.
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Fair reply... so the film I saw where Arnold Swarzenegger's wife and child were killed and he went after the people that did it (taking out at least 50 on the way) was morally wrong? :p
 
c1973 said:
The instinctive side of me would say he wouldn't make it to any cage, I'd beat him to death there and then.
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I was thinking the same... wild horses wouldn't stop me..... unless I could somehow stop myself.


c1973 said:
I seriously doubt anyone could give an honest answer without being in that position though.
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I couldn't agree more, so how about those on the 'front line' that are in the position of being bombed by Jordanian planes? I am not seeking to justify anything here, ALL WAR is barbaric in my opinion.
 
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JustOne said:
Purely out of 'moral conscience'....

A fighter plane goes over your house, drops a bomb which incinerates your 3 children, you hear them screaming just before the house collapses on them.... you then capture the pilot of said plane.... then what?
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A hypothetical situation of course but remember that this is quite possibly what the Jordanian pilot was doing before he was captured. If I kicked your guy to death is that really better than setting him on fire? (I know it's not the same scenario but you get my point). Like I said above, an eye for an eye is rarely the best way in the big picture. Yes, at an individual vengeance level it gives closure but the rule of law is what really we all stand and fight for.
 
Fyldewhite said:
Yes, at an individual vengeance level it gives closure but the rule of law is what really we all stand and fight for.
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Absolutely, if you happen to live somewhere that has some kind of democratic law then the 'goal' would be to stand by it, if you happen to live in a practical war zone then i don't know what would necessarily stop you (so to speak).

There was a question posed (I can't remember by whom) pertaining to what would you do if you were the parent of one of the kids murdered by Fred West (or some other pedo) and you got your hands on him? The 'mob' would cry out AT LEAST to have him castrated in the street if not we should bring back hanging and do that to him instead.... but isn't that the BRITISH mob calling for 'an eye for an eye' which (as you say) is wrong?


(nb: just trying to get my OWN head around my own thoughts so not having a pop at ANYONE at all).
 
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