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Jeremy Corbyn-Leadership quality?

I am yet to find one example of Corbyn using racist (or even possibly racist) language.
We get no coverage what so ever of the Jews that support him or the Muslim groups denouncing boris.
 
Piece said:
I get that some of this is media led and does feed on misinformation. But, it is clear that this is still an issue for some in the Labour party, therefore I would expect a leader of an all inclusive party to take ownership and offer a continued apology, whether or not you or Mr Corbyn think it is warranted. I will respect a leader for taking a strong stance and accountability, again, whether it's justified or not; I'm just not seeing it. On the flip side I do see that even if he did apologise now, the media machine probably wouldn't let it go.

Same for Boris. I would expect him to apologise, if asked, for his comments on "letter box" dressing and other similar words. If he didn't, then in my eyes, he's just as untrustworthy and weak.
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Boris was asked in parliament to apologise for his comments and refused.
Corbyn has continually denounced all forms of racism, like you say, whatever he does, he won’t win.
 
pauldj42 said:
Boris was asked in parliament to apologise for his comments and refused.
Corbyn has continually denounced all forms of racism, like you say, whatever he does, he won’t win.
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And that's a fair comment. What I'm talking about is the here and now, for both Corbyn and Boris. Corbyn has been asked the apology question now, Boris hasn't to my knowledge.
 
pauldj42 said:
I am yet to find one example of Corbyn using racist (or even possibly racist) language.
We get no coverage what so ever of the Jews that support him or the Muslim groups denouncing boris.
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BBC Breakfast had a bloke on yesterday morning... introduced as "a Jewish Labour voter." Hilarious, that makes it ok then.

Corbyn always speaks out against "racism." But shares platforms with HAMAS and Holocaust deniers. I guess he sees Jews as white and therefore not within the scope of what he deems racism.

Specific Political intervention from a Chief Rabbi is virtually unheard of......
 
Piece said:
And that's a fair comment. What I'm talking about is the here and now, for both Corbyn and Boris. Corbyn has been asked the apology question now, Boris hasn't to my knowledge.
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Because boris is yet to be interviewed and has never apologised for the things in the past, it’s nothing new with boris, just conveniently ignored whilst Corbyn is expected to continually apologise!
 
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He's hardly likely to congratulate Corbyn is he? Corbyn who said that "Hamas are my friends." The JLM have been affiliated to the Labour Party for 100 years, and its only in the last 3 years that there's been a fallout. And a fallout with Labour MP's and and and.... I'm not sure where this conversation is going. Are you defending Corbyn, because thats what it looks like?

I'm not defending either Corbyn or Johnson. I've looked and looked and looked for some sort of weight of evidence against the Tories on Islamaphobia. Yes they are guilty of it without a doubt but just how many cases. I'm struggling to reach 20, and that's nowhere near the 635 cases lodged with Labour in just the first 6 months of this year. There shouldn't be any in both parties.

Can we just both accept that both individuals are guilty of the 'charges' laid at their door and move on to things like the economy/affordability/NHS/Law & Order?
 
pauldj42 said:
Because boris is yet to be interviewed and has never apologised for the things in the past, it’s nothing new with boris, just conveniently ignored whilst Corbyn is expected to continually apologise!
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Corbyn apologised in 2016 and yesterday. Boris apologised 2 days ago. Were exactly the right words used? Thats subjective but as far as I'm concerned they both apologised.
 
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Hobbit said:
He's hardly likely to congratulate Corbyn is he? Corbyn who said that "Hamas are my friends." The JLM have been affiliated to the Labour Party for 100 years, and its only in the last 3 years that there's been a fallout. And a fallout with Labour MP's and and and.... I'm not sure where this conversation is going. Are you defending Corbyn, because thats what it looks like?

I'm not defending either Corbyn or Johnson. I've looked and looked and looked for some sort of weight of evidence against the Tories on Islamaphobia. Yes they are guilty of it without a doubt but just how many cases. I'm struggling to reach 20, and that's nowhere near the 635 cases lodged with Labour in just the first 6 months of this year. There shouldn't be any in both parties.

Can we just both accept that both individuals are guilty of the 'charges' laid at their door and move on to things like the economy/affordability/NHS/Law & Order?
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Of course we can move on, but this thread is about Corbyn himself and the issues with antisemitism. The other issues have been covered in the GE Thread.
 
Hobbit said:
Corbyn apologised in 2016 and yesterday. Boris apologised 2 days ago. Were exactly the right words used? Thats subjective but as far as I'm concerned they both apologised.
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You need to wear the same heavily rose-tinted specs that others who refuse to see anything that opposes their views are obviously using. 'Denial' is a great protection mechanism but short lived in the face of reality.
 
pauldj42 said:
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Of course we can move on, but this thread is about Corbyn himself and the issues with antisemitism. The other issues have been covered in the GE Thread.
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Its about him and his "leadership quality." Although significant and not to be dismissed, there's more than the antisemitism to discuss.

I'll throw one in there. Corbyn speaks with a very caring and considerate way when discussing improving the lives of the disadvantaged. Thats one thing that can't be disputed. We could argue the semantics of how their lot is improved, how its all afforded. Whatever, it must be at least attempted. Tory tax breaks for the rich when benefits for the disabled were cut... vile and disgusting. Thats what needs focussing on.
 
Hobbit said:
Its about him and his "leadership quality." Although significant and not to be dismissed, there's more than the antisemitism to discuss.

I'll throw one in there. Corbyn speaks with a very caring and considerate way when discussing improving the lives of the disadvantaged. Thats one thing that can't be disputed. We could argue the semantics of how their lot is improved, how its all afforded. Whatever, it must be at least attempted. Tory tax breaks for the rich when benefits for the disabled were cut... vile and disgusting. Thats what needs focussing on.
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Try that in the GE thread and you’ll be told in no uncertain terms the tories had no choice, unfortunately it seems blinkers are only worn by some of us.
 
2blue said:
"Mr Johnson claimed that because the "broken hung parliament was preoccupied with blocking Brexit", his government was unable to make the changes required to keep violent offenders and terrorists in jail for longer."
Brexit to blame for so much, eh. What a total to$$er is Johnson. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Everything is relative.
In terms of tossery, he doesn't begin to compete with Corbyn or Swinson!
 
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