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Jeremy Corbyn-Leadership quality?

Not sure he will get a majority anyway, there are die hard Tories, and Billionaire newspaper owners persuading everyone that this will be a disaster .. but ignoring the impeding Brexit.
I think we will see the SNP or the Lib Dems supplying the support to get a majority government .. So in the end they will need to have an agreed position if they wish to pass votes/bills/donkeys etc through the house (we have seen this for 3 years !) so all of the items that you think are extreme will get diluted unless the SNP or Lib Dems have it in their manifesto.

Also remember the Lib Dems have been bitten by helping the Tories into power .. that was a tough lesson and they have suffered possibly 10 years for it and we may see if the public still blames them at this election.
Honestly speaking if they help Boris, as far as I am concerned you can wipe orange off the colour chart.
 
harpo_72 said:
Not sure he will get a majority anyway, there are die hard Tories, and Billionaire newspaper owners persuading everyone that this will be a disaster .. but ignoring the impeding Brexit.
I think we will see the SNP or the Lib Dems supplying the support to get a majority government .. So in the end they will need to have an agreed position if they wish to pass votes/bills/donkeys etc through the house (we have seen this for 3 years !) so all of the items that you think are extreme will get diluted unless the SNP or Lib Dems have it in their manifesto.

Also remember the Lib Dems have been bitten by helping the Tories into power .. that was a tough lesson and they have suffered possibly 10 years for it and we may see if the public still blames them at this election.
Honestly speaking if they help Boris, as far as I am concerned you can wipe orange off the colour chart.
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i don't think that would stop her, she is power hungry and voted for all the Tory austerity bills, luckily they only have what 19 MP at the moment most of which are defectors, so thats them all gone with any luck.. i can see the SNP going back to 2010 levels so just a couple of Die hard Border Conservative constit.... and no JS;)
 
Hobbit said:
Its not deflection, its my opinion of your suggestion that it could all be changed in 5 years time. No it couldn't.

Deflection is changing the subject. And I did say I want a socialist govt. I didn't say Tory good, Labour bad.

If Labour got rid of Corbyn/McDonnell and Momentum, they'd get my vote. Sod all to do with the Tories - no deflection.
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Sorry mate, thought the bottom line showed my comments were in general and not questioning your opinion.(y)
 
patricks148 said:
i don't think that would stop her, she is power hungry and voted for all the Tory austerity bills, luckily they only have what 19 MP at the moment most of which are defectors, so thats them all gone with any luck.. i can see the SNP going back to 2010 levels so just a couple of Die hard Border Conservative constit.... and no JS;)
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This will be interesting to see how the remaining turn coats fair .. it does beg the question why they wanted to be Tories in the first place if they were quite recently elected?
 
The man would do well when asked to Condemn the IRA or anti semitism to answer the question rather than these vague general remarks. His insistence on general answers makes it look like he is hiding something, add that to the MP's that have had to leave, momentum bullying and they just don't deserve to be in government.
 
Andrew Neil last night had a go at Corbyn about antisemitism and cited the Lesley Perrin case and Labour doing nothing.
This morning it’s come to light that immediately it was brought to their attention she was suspended while an investigation took place, upon receiving the letter she immediately resigned.
So Neil repeatedly stating last night she only got a written warning is lies.
I wonder if he’ll retract his statements or apologise for getting it wrong.
 
pauldj42 said:
Quite a sad indictment of the people that you’re making there.
A proven liar paid for by the rich is the best we can hope for which will result in more foodbanks, more poverty, more deaths due to Austerity.
No not for me, I’d rather risk Labour for the next 5 years than tories for 15.
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With Corbyn in charge I'd sooner risk the tories for the next 15 years than labour for 1 year!
 
I continue to have concerns with Corbyn - putting aside for a moment the antisemitism problem - when he is interviewed I just don't feel confidence and authenticity in his replies - but when he is on the stump he exudes confidence and authenticity and then I can get him. And so were I in a constituency where Labour had a chance of winning the seat then I would have problems
 
Wish hed
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I continue to have concerns with Corbyn - putting aside for a moment the antisemitism problem - when he is interviewed I just don't feel confidence and authenticity in his replies - but when he is on the stump he exudes confidence and authenticity and then I can get him. And so were I in a constituency where Labour had a chance of winning the seat then I would have problems
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Wish he'd get a set of specs that fitted.
 
welshjim22 said:
The man would do well when asked to Condemn the IRA or anti semitism to answer the question rather than these vague general remarks. His insistence on general answers makes it look like he is hiding something, add that to the MP's that have had to leave, momentum bullying and they just don't deserve to be in government.
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Oh that would be wise, like hitting a hornets nest with a stick and all the Tory press going bananas..
seriously??
Bit like saying I would rather be dead in a ditch ...

Bottom line is the response had some forethought!
 
Piece said:
Because the Chief Rabbi very recently said Labour aren't doing enough and Corbyn, as yet, hasn't repeated his apology in reference to the Chief Rabbi's concerns of now. Apologies from yesteryear only address the issue at that time.
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How many times does he have to apologise? Chief Rabbi is a huge boris fan.
He is not the voice of all Jews and the letters from other Jewish Leaders are ignored!
Why isn’t there the same campaign over Johnson’s proven racist remarks?
 
pauldj42 said:
How many times does he have to apologise? Chief Rabbi is a huge boris fan.
He is not the voice of all Jews and the letters from other Jewish Leaders are ignored!
Why isn’t there the same campaign over Johnson’s proven racist remarks?
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By failing to apologise now, he is coming across as a leader who dithers or doesn't accept it's a serious problem. It may not be the reality, but that's the perception.

If Boris was directly accused of the same thing, I would expect the same from him.
 
Piece said:
By failing to apologise now, he is coming across as a leader who dithers or doesn't accept it's a serious problem. It may not be the reality, but that's the perception.

If Boris was directly accused of the same thing, I would expect the same from him.
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Apologise for what though? This is media led, it all started as the Jewish Labour Movement saying he had 130 cases with the EHRC when he stated all complaints had been dealt with.

It turned out the 130 cases are cases were the JLM disagreed with the Labour Party decision and are appealing them.

Then we the had only 2 political Parties (Labour and BNP) have been referred to the EHRC by Raab, onlly for the EHRC to report they also have a dossier on the tory Party about islamophobia.

The issue is serious, but it’s been used as a weapon against Corbyn, just look at how Andrew Neil went on at Corbyn about Leslie Perrin, turns out the BBC got that wrong as well, no apology or headline putting that straight.

Please don’t take it personal, but some of what we are seeing is misinformation and when proved wrong we don’t get the reply, it’s just ignored.

As for boris:
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pauldj42 said:
How many times does he have to apologise? Chief Rabbi is a huge boris fan.
He is not the voice of all Jews and the letters from other Jewish Leaders are ignored!
Why isn’t there the same campaign over Johnson’s proven racist remarks?
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Is he a Boris fan? I couldn't find anything, not that it doesn't mean he isn't.

However, his record globally, including leading inter-faith collaborations is first class. Still don't think he should have got involved though.

I've read a couple of the articles that Boris wrote. They're clumsy, ignorant, crass, insensitive and confrontational. I'm not saying the "letter-box" comment isn't racist but the context of the article is in support of muslim women.

Like many of the negative comments about Corbyn, many of them are unfair and are using material out of context.

I'm not defending Johnson, don't want him anywhere near Westminster, just trying a bit of balance...
 
I struggle with JC, however the anti Semitism row is a nothing to me when you consider the BJ issues with Jennifer Arcuri, the Thames garden bridge fiasco or the water cannon purchase and subsequent scrapage after never being used.
Trust Boris Johnson..... you got to be joking.
 
Hobbit said:
Is he a Boris fan? I couldn't find anything, not that it doesn't mean he isn't.

However, his record globally, including leading inter-faith collaborations is first class. Still don't think he should have got involved though.

I've read a couple of the articles that Boris wrote. They're clumsy, ignorant, crass, insensitive and confrontational. I'm not saying the "letter-box" comment isn't racist but the context of the article is in support of muslim women.

Like many of the negative comments about Corbyn, many of them are unfair and are using material out of context.

I'm not defending Johnson, don't want him anywhere near Westminster, just trying a bit of balance...
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pauldj42 said:
Apologise for what though? This is media led, it all started as the Jewish Labour Movement saying he had 130 cases with the EHRC when he stated all complaints had been dealt with.

It turned out the 130 cases are cases were the JLM disagreed with the Labour Party decision and are appealing them.

Then we the had only 2 political Parties (Labour and BNP) have been referred to the EHRC by Raab, onlly for the EHRC to report they also have a dossier on the tory Party about islamophobia.

The issue is serious, but it’s been used as a weapon against Corbyn, just look at how Andrew Neil went on at Corbyn about Leslie Perrin, turns out the BBC got that wrong as well, no apology or headline putting that straight.

Please don’t take it personal, but some of what we are seeing is misinformation and when proved wrong we don’t get the reply, it’s just ignored.

As for boris:
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I get that some of this is media led and does feed on misinformation. But, it is clear that this is still an issue for some in the Labour party, therefore I would expect a leader of an all inclusive party to take ownership and offer a continued apology, whether or not you or Mr Corbyn think it is warranted. I will respect a leader for taking a strong stance and accountability, again, whether it's justified or not; I'm just not seeing it. On the flip side I do see that even if he did apologise now, the media machine probably wouldn't let it go.

Same for Boris. I would expect him to apologise, if asked, for his comments on "letter box" dressing and other similar words. If he didn't, then in my eyes, he's just as untrustworthy and weak.
 
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