I'd agree, thing is most of these cases are comments on Israel and Netenyahus policy which what is now defined as anti semitism, even jews are being called it if they are ani Ziononist
Jeremy Corbyn-Leadership quality?
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BBC Wales version of Question Time was on last night. Nia Griffith, on Labour's Front Bench as Shadow Defence Secretary made comment on Labour's lack of an apology over antisemitism.
Basically, she said Labour should have been far stronger in dealing with antisemitism and apologise to the Jewish community and to her colleagues within the Labour Party who have suffered the abuse.
And that's all that was needed. An open, public apology and a strong response to every claim. If it had been done properly in 2016 - see the Chakrabarti inquiry and subsequent award of a Baroness title... hearty bloody hahahaha, it could have been put to bed leaving a clean run in to the election.
Forget the media hype/bias for a second and maybe consider how many Labour MP's, councillors and party activists/members/supporters have left the party over this issue.
Basically, she said Labour should have been far stronger in dealing with antisemitism and apologise to the Jewish community and to her colleagues within the Labour Party who have suffered the abuse.
And that's all that was needed. An open, public apology and a strong response to every claim. If it had been done properly in 2016 - see the Chakrabarti inquiry and subsequent award of a Baroness title... hearty bloody hahahaha, it could have been put to bed leaving a clean run in to the election.
Forget the media hype/bias for a second and maybe consider how many Labour MP's, councillors and party activists/members/supporters have left the party over this issue.
i wouldn't ...as a labour supporter would you vote for someone who crossed a picket line and has voted tory
I'm a life long socialist and i will be voting what i think is best for the country not the leader
chrisd
Major Champion
Do you seriously think that the plans Corbyn has for the country is the best for the country, leaving aside views on Corbyn himself and his suitability to be PM
drdel
Tour Rookie
i wouldn't ...as a labour supporter would you vote for someone who crossed a picket line and has voted tory
I'm a life long socialist and i will be voting what i think is best for the country not the leader
Vote Labour into government and, as an economist I strongly believe, your sons and daughters and future generations will be paying off the huge debt for decades to come - many from the inevitable tax rises on their minimum wage 'state' jobs in rented homes.
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So you don’t believe for one minute if it went as bad as you believe it could, people would keep them in power for further periods, looking at timescales legislation etc you would be looking at a 3 1/2 - 4 year period of a Labour Government, some of that period we will see little change due to Brexit and other tory policies being reversed.
Labours plans went beyond the term of the next Government.
The future generations bit is scaremongering and another project fear. Parts of the economy need sorting immediately and the tories haven’t even looked at it.
As previously mentioned, they’ve promised more for potholes than social care.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
Is legislation the issue? As you say, Labour could be voted out in 5 years time. I wonder how much borrowing could be achieved in that time?
I want a socialist govt but its got to be a responsible govt. The level of borrowing that could be achieved in 5 years would have already done the damage you see as only scaremongering.
drdel
Tour Rookie
In 5 years they can destroy the share value of companies in line for potential 'public' ownership or force them to off-shore to protect the 'price' (see National Grid). Labour can easily incur debt and set out long term contractual liabilities. Don't think wealth creators will stick around and 'wait-and-see'.
I know its popular to right off opinions that are disagreeable as 'project fear' I'm just giving an opinion as someone with a bit of knowledge economic analysis - quite happy for you to take a different view but I wouldn't be betting on a comfortable Labour run future.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
I always think that if Hesaltine had beaten Thatcher and the wrong half of the Tory Party and if John Smith had better health we would now be living in a country that we would be proud of,
Corbyn was mad to take on the Waspi commitment, it will probably cost him the election.
Johnson had already confirmed that he would not help them so a part/affordable concession by Labour would have had the same effect as a full commitment.
Corbyn was mad to take on the Waspi commitment, it will probably cost him the election.
Johnson had already confirmed that he would not help them so a part/affordable concession by Labour would have had the same effect as a full commitment.
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Thanks, but worked as an ecomomist in the city for many years so i'm well qualified to make my own decisions what i think would be good for the economy
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Not being picky but have we not just spent 11 years attempting to pay off the massive debts of the failings of the free market banking system.
as apposed to more of the same tory austerity and a divided society where the rich get richer the poor poorer?
its time for a change and the I'm all right jackism is taking us to a society i don't want to be part of TBH
yep and part of the problem was prev Conservative Gov compl deregulating banking which was one of the causes of the banking crisis in the first place
Foxholer
Blackballed
That some would say Labour caused - or at least greatly contributed to!
Not (entirely, or even 'very much') a view I agree with btw. There was, imo, a degree of responsibility involved, but not as much as they were castigated for. The Tories were, imo, fortunate to NOT be in power at the time!
chrisd
Major Champion
It might be time for a change but that change could never be Corbyn & co
If Boris wins, then the Labour party can get rid of the Marxist element, sort themselves out, and go back to being truly the representatives of the working people and stand a chance of being elected at the next GE
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But it goes both ways, what if the plans work, what if, what if? Once again it’s Labour bad and then a vacuum, all this “If Labour was good or if Corbyn wasn’t bad†etc etc is purely deflection, otherwise the posts would be full of “look how good the tories are, great policy from boris†etc etc.
Look at Brexit, everytime anybody made comments about how dangerous leave would be for the economy we/they were laughed at, same people are now doing it to Corbyn in reverse!
Generic observations Bri, not aimed at anyone in particular.
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An opinion I 60% agree with, it’s the 40% at what cost I struggle with.
Its not deflection, its my opinion of your suggestion that it could all be changed in 5 years time. No it couldn't.
Deflection is changing the subject. And I did say I want a socialist govt. I didn't say Tory good, Labour bad.
If Labour got rid of Corbyn/McDonnell and Momentum, they'd get my vote. Sod all to do with the Tories - no deflection.
why would they want to get rid of the Marxist element, maybe its time for some.
Socialist labour had many of its main aims eroded by maggie and sub conservative Govs, so that the only option some saw was something very similar to conservatism... Blairsim... not one of those i'm glad to say, prob why i've not really been interested in Politics in some years.
Do i think someone could be a better leader than Jezza...? of course, but Boris isn't that person and as much as some mock jezza, but he wants a better society for everyone not just the rich and those who fund the Tory party
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