Is Lord Sugar a racist?

Correct.... but that doesn't explain your comments about Nazis

Remember that Sugar is 70 odd and Jewish. His definition of "racism" involves having your house attacked, being rounded up, put on cattle trucks and transported to Concentration Camps and gassed.

The modern definition appears to be "said something unfunny/poor taste on Twitter"

Bit of a difference. Worth thinking about too.
 
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IanM said:
Correct.... but that doesn't explain your comments about Nazis

Remember that Sugar is 70 odd and Jewish. His definition of "racism" involves having your house attacked, being rounded up, put on cattle trucks and transported to Concentration Camps and gassed.

The modern definition appears to be "said something unfunny/poor taste on Twitter"

Bit of a difference. Worth thinking about too.
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The point about the Nazis was that i know nothing of his personal beliefs, as such I can’t accuse a person of thinking one way (ie being racist) just because of one tweet.
For all I know he could be any kind of person, having awful or beautiful thoughts about a great many things.
His personal thoughts are unknown to me, so I can’t judge them
 
IanM said:
Correct.... but that doesn't explain your comments about Nazis

Remember that Sugar is 70 odd and Jewish. His definition of "racism" involves having your house attacked, being rounded up, put on cattle trucks and transported to Concentration Camps and gassed.

The modern definition appears to be "said something unfunny/poor taste on Twitter"

Bit of a difference. Worth thinking about too.
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Bit of a difference between being a racist and ethnic cleansing.

Being Jewish does not give him a free pass to say and behave as he likes, this is the 3rd time to my knowledge he has been in the press with possible racist comments/tweets.

How do you know what his definition of “racism” is?
 
Is racial stereotyping racist or just ignorant? Would a picture of 11 Japanese brain surgeons with a theatre table in front of them be racist? Is this 2+2=4.5? Are people making more out of it than needs be?

At the end of the day, if some people think its racist, it is. I'm sure all of us have at one time or another said something that has upset someone, and then apologised for upsetting them. We might have thought it not offensive but its how its received, not how its delivered that determines the offence.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Alternatively we could all just try and not be racist.
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Thats me point though FD, some people just think they are being funny. Yet end up being racist without knowing the differance. Differant generation ? I don't know. A good friend of mine at the pit who was Jamacian and gay said he noticed/knew the differance between somebody saying something in jest and somebody saying The same thing by the tone of there voice. Which I understand,,but why say it in the first place.
 
It was little bit of a stupid comment to make, but I do not think it had any racist intent. At the end of the day we've all been to Spain on holiday and been harassed by Africans selling fake Oakleys. Bit of a stupid throw away comment that I asked a couple of my African friends about and they did not get offended by it.

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BTW, I do not agree with the comment he made and he shouldn't have done it. But sometimes the middle class white PC crew can go over the top at time. I work with people that grew up through the 70s and 80s in places like Georgia, Alabama etc and what they see as someone being racist and someone making a stupid comment can be a lot different from what other people see.
 
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Kellfire said:
Did they tell you they were African or did you assume that because of the colour of their skin and their voice?

Interesting coincidence that you'd say the above, yet not see any racism in Sugar's comment.
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and here lies the problem, someone says something and straight away people jump down their throat and start making them out to be racist. For your information I had a nice chat with a man who goes by the name of Jonny 5 many years ago in Ibiza, he said he was from Africa. I only chatted to him cause he was funny. HE saw my Oakleys on my head and wanted to know if i wanted some real ones instead.

He then went on to tell me about how they all come over from Africa selling fake glasses and watches. SO I got told first hand that all these people you see around the med sneak over from Africa to sell fake crap.
 
londonlewis said:
"Your tweet was constructed on the basis that all black people look alike (which is sadly constantly perpetuated in the media) and that blackness infers poorness"

She got all that from his tweet?

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"While you have since apologised, it is important that I let you know that some things are offensive whether we personally deem them to be or not"

And this is the problem.
It's no longer about whether someone was wanting to be offensive, it's whether someone was offended ... or could have been offended ... or thinks someone else might have been offended ... or was offended on someone else's behalf, even though they weren't actually offended.




 
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