Is it just me?

[Swinglowandslow]

Sorry but your first statement is very wrong - all life has worth and value

Capital Punishment is barbaric , hence the view from the UN is to move towards eventual abolition

How can we as a society tell our children to not inflict pain and suffering on others only for society to do it anyway by removing someone’s life

Come on Phil, you are making general statements which are clearly not true.
Not ALL life has worth and value, . When you see the results of some lives , and what they do to innocents of society, how can you possibly say that it has some worth?
Sometimes you have to make a judgement. Are you not capable of doing that using your sense of fairness and the right of innocent society to be protected?

As for your last paragraph, again a general , untrue statement.
Sometimes inflicting pain and suffering on someone IS necessary.
Such as the man about to kill a child or rape a woman , and you ( or someone, father, husband, police officer)are the only person in a position to stop them.
No reasoning, pleading or pointing out that what they are doing is not very nice, is going to stop them. Only a violent act will stop them.
Are you going to stick with your "not inflict pain or suffering" dogma, and see them go ahead?
Please, examine your logic.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Come on Phil, you are making general statements which are clearly not true.
Not ALL life has worth and value, . When you see the results of some lives , and what they do to innocents of society, how can you possibly say that it has some worth?
Sometimes you have to make a judgement. Are you not capable of doing that using your sense of fairness and the right of innocent society to be protected?

Because that person will still be the father , son , daughter or mother of someone who will still value that person’s life and worth even if you don’t- even the worst criminals in the world had people who loved or cared for them to give their life some worth.

The rights of innocent society are protected by our laws - you don’t need to hand out a punishment of death to protect society when there are already means of doing that at our disposal

Being in Prison isn’t some walk in the park despite the myths being portrayed

As for your last paragraph, again a general , untrue statement.
Sometimes inflicting pain and suffering on someone IS necessary.
Such as the man about to kill a child or rape a woman , and you ( or someone, father, husband, police officer)are the only person in a position to stop them.
No reasoning, pleading or pointing out that what they are doing is not very nice, is going to stop them. Only a violent act will stop them.
Are you going to stick with your "not inflict pain or suffering" dogma, and see them go ahead?
Please, examine your logic.

Not untrue at all - I will teach my children not to cause pain and harm on someone , is that wrong to do so ?

You are then going on about self defence and people carrying out their jobs using the laws they have got - that’s not killing someone as a punishment is it - so what does it have to do with capital punishment ?

 

[Dan2501]

Must be bloody exhausting having a strong opinion and arguing to the death about everything.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Must be bloody exhausting having a strong opinion and arguing to the death about everything.

He’s a machine.
But it’s not arguing,it’s having a blooming good debate.
Apparently 🙄

 

[Deleted member 15344]

................................. in America.

Yes in America where Capital Punishment still exists and it being a Western Civilised country that follows all UN , Geneva , Human rights etc - why would the UK be any different ? In fact some would say we are more civilised so would also be more humane.

Or follow the path of Islamic Countries or China etc ?

The UK will have to follow the same path as the US would it not ? But then the US states are reducing in number. Only one country in Europe has the death penalty I believe - Belarus ( Russia has all but stopped it )

Do we really want to go down a different path ?

So the law allows you to be judge, jury and executioner?

You know the Rules of Engagement Bob - it’s note the same as the death Penalty as a punishment is it - the very last thing a policeman or soldier etc wants to do is fire his weapon at someone , to live with the fact they ended someone’s life is not an easy thing for them. Its an act down to protect and prevent , and if there was any other way to do that they would - very last resort. There is other ways to protect before bringing back the Death Penalty.

Must be bloody exhausting having a strong opinion and arguing to the death about everything.

It’s a very good discussion - respectful , no sniping , no insults , accepting opinions - until now , shame really because no doubt it will go downhill now. Well done on your great input into it

 

[TheDiablo]

It always surprises me that the reaction to an overly lenient sentence and/or early parole mistake is to shout for the opposite extremity - capital punishment.

Thankfully the UK in 2019 is a far more tolerant and moderate society than some of the views expressed online (unfortunately including here)

Would I like to see stronger sentences for first degree murder? Absolutely. Life without parole ideally.

For those with no remorse, do I believe that they should also be forced into a more restrictive, isolated existence? Absolutely.

Should those that show genuine remorse be allowed some form of rehabilitation within prison? Possibly.

Calling for them to not receive '3 square meals' a day is laughable.

The death penalty belongs in the past. Its antiquitated, barbaric, puts innocent lives at risk and is proven to not be a deterrent to others.

We've had scenarios in the UK where people have been convicted of mass murder only for it to be quashed decades later. Decades. Those people would almost certainly have been executed under any death penalty laws. Those in support of this punishment should have that on their conscience.