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Having used the MX-200's (with S300 Dyanlite Gold Shafts) for 4 weeks (prior to theft) I was getting on well with them and found them to be a step up from the MX-15's culminating in a 77 final round.

However (as posted before) I have a nagging doubt that I could be playing with better irons i.e. more workable, e.g. MP-52's or MP-57's. I actually played yesterday with someone elses clubs (Ping i10's) and shot a 79 getting and eagle on our uphill 510yrd Par 5 (Hitting the 5-iron 205yrds uphill, but wind assisted!).

I have tested the MP-57's about 2mths ago albeit into a net at AG and got some good results, hitting a 6iron on ave. 180yrds and in the centre of the fairway, so I think that I can hit them. I want to be able to shape my shots (Low, Left or Right) and the MP-52/7's would be better than the MX-200's for that.

I remember though that the Mizuno fitter said not to go for the 57's as they are old technology and will stop making them soon. Are the 52's as good?

Another question, would the S300 shaft that I was fitted for in the MX-200 be just as good in the MP-52's?
 
I think that all the talk about "working" the ball is just macho bull. We are trying to play golf to our handicaps week in week out. We want to get better, but to get to the point where we are able to "work" the ball at will must take a lot of time and effort. I for one certainly haven't got there yet. Not consistently anyway.

I currently play MP57s. I got these after starting to struggle with the consistency of my old MP30s. The 57s are indeed a very nice club and yes, I can play well with them, but I do still need to have a good strike on the ball to get the best out of them. I recently had a discussion with a friends about the clubs we play, and after a weekend away with my mates I'm coming to the conclusion that my next set of clubs are more likely to be a cavity backed type of club as by then I'll need all the help I can get ! (big 50 just over the horizon!)

If you're thinking of moving up, go and try them at a range somewhere, not in a net with a monitor showing some macho inflated shot details. Ask TonyN what he thinks of the 52s, he got his fitted earlier this year and seems to be having a ball with them. It's all down to personal hoice and if it was me, I'd be looking for the club that gives me most confidence when playing shots.

IMO the MX200s are well capable of taking you way down into single figures. Just remember its hard work getting there and even harder staying there ;)

I know, I've been there and gone back up and am now trying to get back down again.

Have a good look, ask questions and then make your decision.

Cheers
 
I agree with DCB
Worry about "working" the ball when you can consistently hit it where you want to. I played off 8 for 3 years and even at that level I wouldn't try to work it much. while there are times when you may need to fade the ball around a hazard to get close to the pin, we are almost all at the level where more often than not we'd either overcook the fade or not cook it enough. Working it just the right amount takes more skill than I've ever had. I can do it sometimes but not consistently enough.
I play with what my swing is giving me on the day - straight/fade/draw etc
As regards the clubs, I'd stick with the ones you were playing well with. Or go with the 57's - old technology? They might be a bit cheaper then!!! Still good sticks.
 
I know you need your new clubs asap, but you are obviously in a quandry about them.

In all seriousness, you've got a reasonable budget, why not spoil yourself and take a day trip to the Belfry and get youself properly fitted out in what is supposed to be the best CF in the country ?

If there's a better CFer nearer you then obviously use them, but the time delay at this end will be more than compensated for by the lack of buyers remorse you will undoubted suffer if you buy OTS gear.

If you can't borrow some stuff to keep you on the course in the meantime, buy some of cernunnos' cheaper stuff which will tide you over in the short term, won't bite into your budget much, and will leave you either with some spare clubs if needed in the future ( loaners for guests etc ) or at worst you could resale on at a minimal loss.

Sweeet.

:cool:
 
Dont get too caught up with the idea of shaping, if you can hit the same shot and swing for most shots it yields consistency of results. Us amateurs don't need to be moving it too much as the courses we play aren't usually set up with impossible to get at pins like the pros.

I have chunky Nike iron heads now and I can still move the ball left and right when needs be - you do not have to have forged players irons to do this, it is easier though. I had Cleveland blade CG1's for a while and moving the ball was really easy so long as you could get a good strike in the first place.

The consistency I'm getting with the cavity backs over-rides any shot shaping capability my old player clubs offered me.

Remember its how many, not how and if you can make the game easier for yourself I'd say do it.
 
Shaping is a bit of an outdated notion. The modern ball is designed not to move as much through the air anyway and the modern club doesn't make the job any easier even blades. My advice would be to learnt to hit a fade and draw if you want to but concentrate more on finding the sweetspot everytime
 
I remember though that the Mizuno fitter said not to go for the 57's as they are old technology and will stop making them soon. Are the 52's as good?

Another question, would the S300 shaft that I was fitted for in the MX-200 be just as good in the MP-52's?
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I wouldn't go anywhere near the 57s if there are 52s available. The 52s are much more suitable for a mid h'cap player. I.M.O.

The i10 are more game improvement than you might imagine....

I'd say the MX-200 is a no-lose option.....
 
Well, I've just been down to hit both clubs in 6iron form(MX-200 and MP-52) and hit the MX-200 1st for 10balls and shanked, thinned and hit a couple of good ones. I then moved onto the MP-52 and hit everyone very well, one, even though I didnt catch it right still went very well. I think that playing with a more bladed club made me concentrate more!

Anyway the decision was made when I went back and the sales guy said that they have a policy where any of the clubs that they sell have a two week trial policy but you can only do this once. So, MP-52's it will be and if it doesnt work out I can always go back to the MX-200's. I will be phoning the Mizuno test center tomorrow to find out what my best shaft was in the 52's.
 
It's all down to personal hoice and if it was me, I'd be looking for the club that gives me most confidence when playing shots.
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Really felt confident when trying these DCB, looking down at them at address and striking the ball felt very good indeed.

At 37 and very fit, I dont think that I have the same problems mate. I am playing 2 or 3 times a week and willing to put in the hard work, lessons and practice that will make me a better ball striker/player.
 
MP-52 and hit everyone very well, one, even though I didnt catch it right still went very well. I think that playing with a more bladed club made me concentrate more!

Anyway the decision was made when I went back and the sales guy said that they have a policy where any of the clubs that they sell have a two week trial policy but you can only do this once. So, MP-52's it will be and if it doesnt work out I can always go back to the MX-200's. I will be phoning the Mizuno test center tomorrow to find out what my best shaft was in the 52's.
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Whoops, just had to edit my post after replying thinking you'd gone for the 57s..... :)

Good choice......I approve......
 
I think that all the talk about "working" the ball is just macho bull.
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Have to agree with DCB.
Find it hard to believe you play off 15hcp and have the ability to fade or draw the ball consistently depending on pin location...yes have the knowledge to play these shots but you need to find your stock shot...a go to shot which you can pull off 9/10 times.
Think you should go for clubs that give you a consistent strike/ball flight.
Learn your yardages and work on your short game and you'll lower your hcp.
 
I think that all the talk about "working" the ball is just macho bull.
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Have to agree with DCB.
Find it hard to believe you play off 15hcp and have the ability to fade or draw the ball consistently depending on pin location...yes have the knowledge to play these shots but you need to find your stock shot...a go to shot which you can pull off 9/10 times.
Think you should go for clubs that give you a consistent strike/ball flight.
Learn your yardages and work on your short game and you'll lower your hcp.
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Having played the game for nearly 18mths now, even though I didnt have a handicap I was consistantly going round in 90-95.

My game has improved immensely and I am consistantly posting scores around the 80 mark (even with someone elses clubs a 79 on Saturday).

It was my club pro who used the phrase "working the ball" as he feels that whilst a can do it now, I will be doing it more in the next 6-12mths due to my progression and a the MP range would be better for me to do that.

Like I said earlier, EVERY strike with the 52's yesterday was pure.
 
My game has improved immensely and I am consistantly posting scores around the 80 mark (even with someone elses clubs a 79 on Saturday).
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If that was your first time out with them, I'd be inclined to order a set of what your mate is using. Ping i10's wasn't it?
A 79 first time out with a new set of clubs would convince me a lot more that they were right for me than banging a few balls down the range with another make.
Just my opinion like
;)
 
My game has improved immensely and I am consistantly posting scores around the 80 mark (even with someone elses clubs a 79 on Saturday).
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If that was your first time out with them, I'd be inclined to order a set of what your mate is using. Ping i10's wasn't it?
A 79 first time out with a new set of clubs would convince me a lot more that they were right for me than banging a few balls down the range with another make.
Just my opinion like
;)
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I really didnt like them Smiffy, oddly enough, my Driving, Fairway Woods and Putting were all spot on, but the irons were average.

ANYWAY, DECISON MADE AND ORDER PLACED........................................................................................................................................................................................MX-200's it is!

After all the arguments that i made for the MP-52's my regular playing partner spoke a lot of sense. He said "once you are CONSISTENTLY hitting Mid 70's then think about a players club i.e more of a blade".

At the moment my scores are hovering around the 80 mark, but I am thinking of the MX-200's in the same vain as my old MX-15's but they are a much more different club. I absolutely adhore the look of the 52's over the 200's, but if it gets me on the short stuff who cares!
 
HTL plays these and having partnered him to another glorious matchplay victory (OK he did all the work) I can vouch that they are a very good club
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I play them too!!
I don't hit them as far as Hywel does, but they are the same club
;)
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Interesting Smiffy, Even though you are a 11 Handicap do you feel that they compliment your game? Were you C.Fitting for them mate?
 
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