Andy
Tour Winner
The english sound worried by the threat of Scottish independance.
Andy
Andy
2004Champ
Assistant Pro
Very true.
If we are so inept and unable to look after ourselves why are they so desperate to hold onto us?
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
I reckon the huge majority of English couldn't give monkeys whether Scotland was independent,part of The Union or towed into The North Atlantic....and rightly so, they should be concerned about England,like we should be concerned about Scotland.
drawboy
Tour Winner
Oh no they weren't. they lived in Leeds that's all, no way were they from LeedsThis one is quite a fun debate
Just to stir it up a bit...
What will the new Scottish /Scotch POlice force and the SNP do about the civil war that seems to break out every month between those 2 football teams of yours? One would like to think that the civilians of the new 21st Century independent republic not have to send letter bombs to people because they manage a different football team.
Now if you could solve that difficult little problem, that wuold be a success worth striving for, and i would watch out with interest.
(PS WHile we were talking about war mongers and interfering in other contries etc etc, i'll see if i can remember the name and natioanlity of the Foreign Secretary who made the famous declaration that moved a lot of (accepting they were rather discrmiinated against and deserving in many ways) people into someone's country in near the Red Sea )
Every country has it's bampots, July 7th 2005 bombings, 3 out of the 4 bombers who blew themselves up in London were from Leeds.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
Oh no they weren't. they lived in Leeds that's all, no way were they from LeedsThis one is quite a fun debate
Just to stir it up a bit...
What will the new Scottish /Scotch POlice force and the SNP do about the civil war that seems to break out every month between those 2 football teams of yours? One would like to think that the civilians of the new 21st Century independent republic not have to send letter bombs to people because they manage a different football team.
Now if you could solve that difficult little problem, that wuold be a success worth striving for, and i would watch out with interest.
(PS WHile we were talking about war mongers and interfering in other contries etc etc, i'll see if i can remember the name and natioanlity of the Foreign Secretary who made the famous declaration that moved a lot of (accepting they were rather discrmiinated against and deserving in many ways) people into someone's country in near the Red Sea )
Every country has it's bampots, July 7th 2005 bombings, 3 out of the 4 bombers who blew themselves up in London were from Leeds.
Sorry mate, you are wrong...
Mohammad Sidique Khan
Born in St James's University Hospital, Leeds, Khan grew up in Beeston but moved to Lees Holm in Dewsbury, near Leeds in early 2005.
Shehzad Tanweer
anweer was born in St Luke's maternity hospital, Bradford
Hasib Hussain
Hussain was born in Leeds General Infirmary and raised in Holbeck, West Yorkshire, Leeds
T
thecraw
Guest
This one is quite a fun debate
Just to stir it up a bit...
What will the new Scottish /Scotch POlice force and the SNP do about the civil war that seems to break out every month between those 2 football teams of yours? One would like to think that the civilians of the new 21st Century independent republic not have to send letter bombs to people because they manage a different football team.
Now if you could solve that difficult little problem, that wuold be a success worth striving for, and i would watch out with interest.
(PS WHile we were talking about war mongers and interfering in other contries etc etc, i'll see if i can remember the name and natioanlity of the Foreign Secretary who made the famous declaration that moved a lot of (accepting they were rather discrmiinated against and deserving in many ways) people into someone's country in near the Red Sea )
Strathclyde Police will do what they always do, Police the event failry and professionally with a well rehearsed and tested method.
Just like Sunderland and Newcastle there will always be an element intent on causing and making trouble. Hardly a reasoned debate about Scottish independance.
Andy
Tour Winner
This one is quite a fun debate
Just to stir it up a bit...
What will the new Scottish /Scotch POlice force and the SNP do about the civil war that seems to break out every month between those 2 football teams of yours? One would like to think that the civilians of the new 21st Century independent republic not have to send letter bombs to people because they manage a different football team.
Now if you could solve that difficult little problem, that wuold be a success worth striving for, and i would watch out with interest.
(PS WHile we were talking about war mongers and interfering in other contries etc etc, i'll see if i can remember the name and natioanlity of the Foreign Secretary who made the famous declaration that moved a lot of (accepting they were rather discrmiinated against and deserving in many ways) people into someone's country in near the Red Sea )
Strathclyde Police will do what they always do, Police the event failry and professionally with a well rehearsed and tested method.
Just like Sunderland and Newcastle there will always be an element intent on causing and making trouble. Hardly a reasoned debate about Scottish independance.
Crawford,
You shouldnt have wasted you energy replying to such a [****] stirrer.
Some one from the outside looking in and knows hehaw.
Andy
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
If you do go independent, can you take Wales with you.
T
thecraw
Guest
Murph,
You'd always be welcome but you can keep that McArthur bloke down there!
You'd always be welcome but you can keep that McArthur bloke down there!
Marko77
Q-School Graduate
I don’t know why, I have nothing to back it up, but the thought of independence scares me and a lot is due to the fact I am not educated enough to know the facts of the situation.
Business growth / jobs. Will English based companies based in Scotland still be as willing to have these bases depending on any rules/taxes governing business possibly introduced? Individual taxes? Council taxes? Pensions?
I don’t get this whole RBS is an example of Scottish mismanagement though. It is a global company which bears a Scottish name. Look at its board of directors http://www.rbs.com/microsites/gra2008/governance/index.html and tell me how many of them are Scottish. It’s not even as if the money went into Scotland for the benefit of Scottish places/people.
I get what is being said about the North Sea and its riches. Even should independence be voted for and approved please don’t tell me the UK government will stand back and let it be without a fight.
I can’t say I’ve ever held much interest in politics but knowing a referendum on independence is coming is going to make me make sure I know what I’m voting for/against. I just hope that when the vote comes people make decisions with their head and not just with their heart.
Business growth / jobs. Will English based companies based in Scotland still be as willing to have these bases depending on any rules/taxes governing business possibly introduced? Individual taxes? Council taxes? Pensions?
I don’t get this whole RBS is an example of Scottish mismanagement though. It is a global company which bears a Scottish name. Look at its board of directors http://www.rbs.com/microsites/gra2008/governance/index.html and tell me how many of them are Scottish. It’s not even as if the money went into Scotland for the benefit of Scottish places/people.
I get what is being said about the North Sea and its riches. Even should independence be voted for and approved please don’t tell me the UK government will stand back and let it be without a fight.
I can’t say I’ve ever held much interest in politics but knowing a referendum on independence is coming is going to make me make sure I know what I’m voting for/against. I just hope that when the vote comes people make decisions with their head and not just with their heart.
Why would the Scots want independence?
It only gives the Yanks another country to bomb the crap out of.
It only gives the Yanks another country to bomb the crap out of.
SS2
Tour Rookie
What does "Independence" actually mean ? The answer is whatever you want it to mean to fit your argument at the moment: no-one has actually defined it.
There are big questions to be asked before it can be defined:
The Monarchy: who will be head of state in an Independent Scotland ?
Armed Forces and defence policy
Currency: Sterling or Euro ?
Also some lesser questions but ones which highlight the closeness of the bond of the UK:
Foreign Embassies
The BBC
Uk-wide administrative bodies such as the DVLA, HMRC
Plus lots of things that most of us (myself included) haven't considered which would make independence a very difficult and complicated thing to achieve.
Mr Salmond is, by general consensus, an extremely gifted politician. I reckon his tactic will be to slowly gain more and more powers for Scotland - or example, by infuencing the Scotland Bill currently going through the House of Lords. He may know that "Independence", however you define it, would actually take years if not decades to achieve and cost a fair whack to boot. So if he remains in power, Scotland could end up with "60% independence" and Salmond able to blame Westminster for the inability to get to 100%.
Hey, this is probably my longest post ever (!) so I shall finish off by nailing my colours to the mast: I am and will remain a Unionist. Scotland, England, N. Ireland and Wales are more than a sum of their parts when unified and to split them up would be a decision we would live to regret.
There are big questions to be asked before it can be defined:
The Monarchy: who will be head of state in an Independent Scotland ?
Armed Forces and defence policy
Currency: Sterling or Euro ?
Also some lesser questions but ones which highlight the closeness of the bond of the UK:
Foreign Embassies
The BBC
Uk-wide administrative bodies such as the DVLA, HMRC
Plus lots of things that most of us (myself included) haven't considered which would make independence a very difficult and complicated thing to achieve.
Mr Salmond is, by general consensus, an extremely gifted politician. I reckon his tactic will be to slowly gain more and more powers for Scotland - or example, by infuencing the Scotland Bill currently going through the House of Lords. He may know that "Independence", however you define it, would actually take years if not decades to achieve and cost a fair whack to boot. So if he remains in power, Scotland could end up with "60% independence" and Salmond able to blame Westminster for the inability to get to 100%.
Hey, this is probably my longest post ever (!) so I shall finish off by nailing my colours to the mast: I am and will remain a Unionist. Scotland, England, N. Ireland and Wales are more than a sum of their parts when unified and to split them up would be a decision we would live to regret.
chris661
Money List Winner
Everybody keeps on harping to Norway as a shining example when I was there 7 years ago working it was £2 for a mars bar and £30 for a pizza with another £8 for a pint a taxi driver earned c£60,000 who pays for this/where does the money come from? The revenues from north sea oil will need to go to fund a fledgling country not help anyone out for the fist few years.
Someone said they dont know if independence is right but there is only one way to find out, what happens, if IMO it is a disaster, can Scotland go back to Westminster begging to become part of the union again?
IMHO independence would be an absolute disaster of unimaginable proportions.
Someone said they dont know if independence is right but there is only one way to find out, what happens, if IMO it is a disaster, can Scotland go back to Westminster begging to become part of the union again?
IMHO independence would be an absolute disaster of unimaginable proportions.
T
thecraw
Guest
Instead of scare mongering please back it up with facts.
I'm sitting on the fence here however Mr Salmond is a very astute politician and tactician, he already has the support of the majority of the Scots and like Maggie did during her years of ruthlessness Mr Salmond has the Police on his side by honouring a pay rise north of the border (last year) that the English and Welsh refused to honour.
I'm sitting on the fence here however Mr Salmond is a very astute politician and tactician, he already has the support of the majority of the Scots and like Maggie did during her years of ruthlessness Mr Salmond has the Police on his side by honouring a pay rise north of the border (last year) that the English and Welsh refused to honour.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
I mentioned Norway, using them as an example of a wealthy country outwith the EU and with natural reserves to call on...think they are the 3rd wealthiest country on the planet?It's an example of what can be achieved with lots (and lots) of extra cash.Scotland is historically a centre-left nation, I'd guess that if independence was achieved, monies would go into re-building industry, schools,hospitals,social care.Taxation on corporations would be increased but taxation on Joe Bloggs would be reduced.Investment in services, investment in people...create an environment where services are available and increase the consumer base to spend money on the services.
And for those who say increasing taxation on corporations would scare them off, give them a population with more disposable income and they'll swallow,just like give companies technical/engineering/scientific reasons to invest in Scotland and they'll come.Tax breaks for the initial investment, job creation,social pride.Sounds simple!
Here's another minor (but major to those involved) reason for independence from London/Brussels....fishing...I'm sure we all watched Hugh's fish fight, remove our fishermen from the weight of the quotas and throwing away perfectly good fish, well let them sell what they catch...another industry revived.
Or how about ship building?Not on the vast scale of 100 years ago, but specialist building on the Clyde and Rosyth.Even re-opening some of (the still profitable) coal mines shut down by Thatcher.
Now I've shown how it could work, could you show me how it would be a disaster of unimaginable proportions?
G1BB0
Money List Winner
if Hadrian had built his wall properly we wouldnt have this debate
jokes aside, if it was going to potentially cripple the country I doubt they would even be entertaining the idea. I am sure they have done plenty of homework.
A lot of the Scottish laws and systems work better than ours already, maybe we should look to follow their lead in certain areas!
But they can keep the accents, I would rather talk to BT's indian helpdesk than sky's scottish one
jokes aside, if it was going to potentially cripple the country I doubt they would even be entertaining the idea. I am sure they have done plenty of homework.
A lot of the Scottish laws and systems work better than ours already, maybe we should look to follow their lead in certain areas!
But they can keep the accents, I would rather talk to BT's indian helpdesk than sky's scottish one
Del
Assistant Pro
I for one would welcome Scottish independance BUT only if they come down here and take the wife back up with them
madandra
Money List Winner
Is there a campaign for England to get independance from Scotland, Wales and NI? If we do get it and it goes base over apex then you can bet Englands population is going to grow over night.
Regarding Norway being a good example ... do they have as many people as we do who refuse to work or have managed to get welfare to fud their lifestyles?
Regarding Norway being a good example ... do they have as many people as we do who refuse to work or have managed to get welfare to fud their lifestyles?
Parmo
Tour Winner
Scotland would be living on EU payouts for 30 years, like Ireland was/is.
Andy
Tour Winner
Dry your eyes
Andy