Tashyboy
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Where's it going right and wrong.
Immigration good or bad
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Liverbirdie
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It's Christmas eve for God's sake - give it a rest.
rosecott
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It's Christmas - a new troll on the horizon.
Tashyboy
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What's a troll
rosecott
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That would be you.
Tashyboy
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Thanks for that rosecott, if I can I will reply to two of you comments re my posts,
1, you don't know me so to call me a troll without explaining to me what one is shows your ignorance, especially when I have asked you.
2, where have I been all year whilst you have had sensible discussions all year, if you look at my joining date it is last week. The same time as when the post re the Marks and Sparks thread was started.
If you have nothing interesting to write without having a dig at folk who have asked a straightforward question, then jog on. If a newbie, (like me ) has asked a question that has been asked earlier this year then be kind enough to attach a link.
PS merry Christmas.
stevie_r
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Crap, all out of popcorn 
Tashyboy
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It was getting boring anyway Stevie. :-{)Crap, all out of popcorn
drawboy
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Let me tell the good people reading this something they may not be aware of. Immigrants come into the country because business desire workers that will work hard for minimum or below minimum wage. Now, there is no doubt that because we consider ourselves to be mainly above the kind of work they will do for the wages on offer and the standard of living offered on benefits then these positions would not be filled without immigrant workers.
However, whilst immigrants may be happy and better off to do this work they bring their children with them. They then go into our education system they then leave school able to speak English as well as our children and more importantly with the same qualifications as our own children. They then enter the job market and compete for the same jobs as your children will. Their parents may have been happy to pick cabbages but they will not be and in a shrinking job market they will push our children onto the unemployment list.
However, whilst immigrants may be happy and better off to do this work they bring their children with them. They then go into our education system they then leave school able to speak English as well as our children and more importantly with the same qualifications as our own children. They then enter the job market and compete for the same jobs as your children will. Their parents may have been happy to pick cabbages but they will not be and in a shrinking job market they will push our children onto the unemployment list.
Tashyboy
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Draw boy thanks for a sensible reply, first one apart from the popcorn comment which I personally liked.
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All very true and exactly where this country is heading. However, if we didn't hand out benefits at the drop of a hat, maybe all those British people would get off their fat, lazy backsides and fill the jobs that the immigrants are prepared to do and the situation you so eloquently described wouldn't arise.
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Here Here!!
Hacker Khan
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That is all very noble but the fact remains we only have ourselves to blame for the current predicament. Our society has allowed the benefit culture to flourish.
What is wrong with making benefit claimants pick up litter, scrub off graffiti, assist the aged......there is a multitude of things they could be doing that would allow them to contribute to society.
Oh.....hang on....doesn't working for a living infringe on their human rights to sit around watching telly all day scratching their nuts while I work to support them?
SocketRocket
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That article is very loaded to disabled people then suggesting everyone on benefits has no choice. People that are genuinely disabled have not had their benefits cut, many that were spuriously claiming disability benefits are being filtered out and there have been a great number of them.
What D4S says is true, there are vast numbers of people in this country that decide at an early age that they don't want to be educated and work for a living, they prefer a life as spongers to those that get out and provide for them selves. This country has bankrupted its self providing for these people and what ever the hand wringing Liberal Elite think we cannot continue to live beyond our means to subsidise them.
stevie_r
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Thought this thread was about immigration? Didn't take long to get off track 
BAD.
Our infrastructure can't support anymore immigration.... Do I hear the counter argument of immigrants work and pay taxes?
Okay, lets assume an immigrant with family arrives and finds full time employment on a wage of £25k - average wage. He's going to pay about £4.5k in taxes and N.I. His two children will cost the LEA £6,274 per school year. Then there's the odd medical bill.
Our schools are full, so more schools need building. Our NHS is struggling. And Pension age is climbing, meaning more people will work longer to make up the funding gap in our education system and our NHS.
I'm fed up of hearing a politician say that immigrants pay taxes. Yes they do, and those at the lower end where the majority of them are, irrespective of whether or not they have their family with them, pay little in and take more out in terms of housing benefit etc.
Our infrastructure can't support anymore immigration.... Do I hear the counter argument of immigrants work and pay taxes?
Okay, lets assume an immigrant with family arrives and finds full time employment on a wage of £25k - average wage. He's going to pay about £4.5k in taxes and N.I. His two children will cost the LEA £6,274 per school year. Then there's the odd medical bill.
Our schools are full, so more schools need building. Our NHS is struggling. And Pension age is climbing, meaning more people will work longer to make up the funding gap in our education system and our NHS.
I'm fed up of hearing a politician say that immigrants pay taxes. Yes they do, and those at the lower end where the majority of them are, irrespective of whether or not they have their family with them, pay little in and take more out in terms of housing benefit etc.
SocketRocket
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That post addresses the main issue. 'Our infrastructure cant support any more immigration'
The country is full to bursting and set to continue with high birth rates and increasing population. This is without any more net migration increase. Lets see what the New Year brings us!
Doon frae Troon
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Seems to be good for Scotland as far as I can see.
The immigrants seem to want to work and get on, many are highly skilled.
The immigrants seem to want to work and get on, many are highly skilled.
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This all assumes though that the number of jobs available in our economy is finite. Which of course it is not, more people working here means more cash in the economy increasing the number of jobs available to all. This can be seen in the unemployment rate which has changed very little over recent decades (except during world wide recessions) despite the relative high level of immigration.
If you are also saying that immigration in the long term leads to an upskilling of the average worker then this has obvious economic benefits for us all.
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