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Is someone able to explain why so more immigrants want to come to The UK rather than say Germany or France?

Basically what I should like to know is how our benefits compare with other countries?
 
So all immigrants come here to enjoy our benefits then?

We have a lower level of immigration than both those countries so maybe you should be asking whats so good about their benefits system.
 
More than 560,000 people moved to Britain in 2011, the highest number in the EU and almost 20 per cent of all migrants moving in and around the continent.

Most of the people moving to the UK come from outside the 27 European Union member states.
One in five of all migrants in Europe settled in Britain in 2011, according to the European Commission's statistics body Eurostat

One in five of all migrants in Europe settled in Britain in 2011, according to the European Commission's statistics body Eurostat

Latest figures from Eurostat, the statistics body of the European Commission, reveal the full scale of immigration across nations.

In 2011, the UK topped the immigration league table welcoming 566,000 people, much higher than second place Germany which saw 489,400 migrants arrive. The next highest was Spain with 457,600, followed by Italy on 385,000 and France’s 267,000.
 
Anyone know the figures for British folk migrating out of the UK.
I believe it is not very different to those coming in.

Just checked, over 400,000. Mainly to Spain.
 
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Because not long ago most of the globe was coloured pink!

I'm one of those immigrants, some 20-odd years ago. I certainly didn't come 10k miles at considerable cost in order to 'take advantage' of the (subsistence level) benefits available! I haven't claimed any benefits. I think I've used the NHS, the other releant major cost area, significantly less than most and, apart from a couple of notable exceptions, it wasn't a high quality experience. So I believe I have been a net contributor. I think that's pretty typical of the great majority of immigrants.

If you are that keen to promote bigotry and raise polarised attitudes, perhaps you should find and publish the stats of those moving within the EU-27. That could well give you a better metric of those who are moving about for the 'better opportunity' reasons, benefits or otherwise.
 
Not now, not this conversation, not in the current climate. I give it 3 pages before it jumps the shark.

Still, I suppose could be worse, it could be on unmodded weekend.;)
 
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Perhaps a better barometer of benefits abuse(?) would be to look at the numbers of the indigenous population that are on long term benefits for no other reason than they've made it a lifestyle choice.

The Coalition govt are playing at sound bite politics by making a mountain out of a mole hill. Yes, there are some economic migrants but in truth they form a small percentage of a far greater problem, i.e. lazy Brits.
 
Please stop everyone, we know where this is going, wont somebody think of the children!!!!

Come on guys, what's your favourite rain suit, what about that TM marketing eh? Tiger Woods, is he back? Please.
 
Sorry guys, don't want to be heavy handed, but Mods have been made aware of this thread and the potential to where it might lead.

Keep it on track and sensible please.

Thanks

DCB
 
The population growth in this country is unsustainable. There are a finite number of jobs and public services, if the population increases by 250,000 in a year by net migration we will put the structure of our society under increasing stress. Just think of a medium sized city like Gloucester, this level of immigration is twice the population of this city in a year.

There are real net benefits to the country through immigration but offsetby the current numbers. On the issue of benefits, we have a big problem with welfare spending irrespective of whether immigration is a part of the problem. Our country is not rich enough to sustain the current level of public spending and no matter what parties govern this country they will have to reduce it or face a situation very similar to what you see in Cyprus today.
 
3offTheTee said:
Is someone able to explain why so more immigrants want to come to The UK rather than say Germany or France?

Basically what I should like to know is how our benefits compare with other countries?
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All the immigrants I know are hard working, tax paying individuals who are here to work. The benefit system is no more attractive to them as it is to the normal working UK person.
 
And there you have it. The immigrants are here to work. because the "do gooders" have made it possible for the lazy to be, well....lazy, with all the benefits they are getting. Now we need to import labor to do the jobs that our lazy are too, well...lazy to do.

EG. We have a young fella me lad working with us. He travels by bus,train, bus and legs to reach us. I know loads of lazy bums on my estate that could do the work,but won't. One lad on our estate, who doesn't work, recently purchased a new dog, yup one of those ones. A month later, he now has two!!! What is that about you stupid do gooders !!!!!!!???? EH? Eh?
 
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SyR said:
All the immigrants I know are hard working, tax paying individuals who are here to work. The benefit system is no more attractive to them as it is to the normal working UK person.
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If you were a Romanian or Bulgarian getting around £3 a day the benefit system would certainly be attractive to you. Whether the money is paid to immigrants or work shy British it is more than we can afford and any increases will mean higher taxes for those working
 
The only possible cure for the benefits system is the workhouse, something the Victorians got so right! Somehow I think that may be less attractive to these scroungers who havent got a days work in them
Siingle Mothers getting pregnant to get flats? Generations of families never having worked? Not worthwhile someone giving up benefits to go to work ?- what have we come to? Now we have to feed and house Europes migrants, bloody marvellous I love flogging my guts out to support other people and now i'm expected to do so for those who arent even natives of the UK
 
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I live and work in Leith, Edinburgh.The area is well known as the centre of Sub-Indian continent immigration in the 70's/80's/90's...the two main streets, Leith Walk and Great Junction Street and known for the shops being ran/owned by Indians/Bangaldeshi/Pakistanis.
In the last 5 years, Leith has become the centre of the Polish influx.We now have Polish shops,bars,hairdressers etc,All paying tax, all working, all contributing to the pot and the local community.

Leith is also very well known as being well populated by junkies, Trainspotting etc....cheers Irvine!

I see junkies everyday all day, drug dealers selling scripts, whole families reliant on govt handouts.To man,woman and child, they're all white,Scottish and at least 2/3rd generation Edinburgh.

The problem lies with the lazy indigenous people who refuse to work, collect various benefits and are coddled by the nanny state.The problem is not the immigration numbers, it's the lazy work shy locals who have a sense of entitlement endorsed by govt.
 
MarkA said:
The only possible cure for the benefits system is the workhouse, something the Victorians got so right! Somehow I think that may be less attractive to these scroungers who havent got a days work in them
Siingle Mothers getting pregnant to get flats? Generations of families never having worked? Not worthwhile someone giving up benefits to go to work ?- what have we come to? Now we have to feed and house Europes migrants, bloody marvellous I love flogging my guts out to support other people and now i'm expected to do so for those who arent even natives of the UK
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Dear Daily Mail.....;)
 
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