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I thought we were in this togethor...

To me if you earn your money in this country then you pay the Tax everybody else has regardless of nationality or if you have set some mickey mouse company up overseas if you earn your money here then you pay the Tax rates and if you dont like it then clear off somewhere else and we will get somebody in who will. Also if you own a Business here but riside elsewhere you should also be paying the UK Tax rates because you are quite happy to make the money here then you pays you dues here -yes Philip Green Monaco resident I am talking about you amongst others. As a Tory voter myself Thatcher was good in some areas and bad(very) in others. My Grandad was a miner and how they were treated and dealt was was scandalous. However there were some good things that she did, in Europe she was good and never bullied or pressurised or Arse licking unlike Blair/Brown 2 of the worst leaders we have ever had. The Unions also needed sorting out which she did but she went to far and crippled them. But she remains a very popular PM amongst many like it or not.
 
MegaSteve said:
Just been reading that the head of Barclays is to have his tax bill paid for him by Barclays... Another kick in the teeth for the ordinary working man who can't avoid paying tax and has to meet his own 'obligations' to the tax system...

Country is in s**t order due to the bad practices of the banking sector yet they think its still totally OK to carry on as though nothing is wrong...

When the miners did their best to destroy the countries economy Thatcher sent the plod in to beat them about the head... How about similiar for this bunch of villains? SCUM the lot of 'em....

:rant: :temper:...
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I have just counted to 10 and waited a bit before replying. I started reading your comments and found myself nodding in agreement until your last paragraph.

I was a miner for 22 years, I lived through the 1972, 74 and 1984 strikes. In 1984 we fought not just for our jobs and industry but for all workers. We fought to preserve our industrial base not to destroy it as Thatcher succeeding in doing. To destroy industry in favour of banking and finance economy, she first had to destroy the unions.

So look where her grand plan of a banking and finance economy has got us now.

You do not have a clue what you’re talking about. Do you think we went on strike for 12 months to destroy our own economy? We went on strike to protect it from that evil woman. I blame all the woes we have today and our bankers culture of greed, on that woman. Have you got a clue what it’s like to go on strike with a young family, mortgage etc, without pay for 12 months. Do you think miners enjoyed loosing homes and marriages and enjoyed the pitched battles with Thatcher’s private army of a police force?

Now the government are saying we need to revive our industrial base. A bit late now I think, the horse has bolted. Don’t you dare say the miners tried to destroy the economy
 
Shaunmg said:
I have just counted to 10 and waited a bit before replying. I started reading your comments and found myself nodding in agreement until your last paragraph.

I was a miner for 22 years, I lived through the 1972, 74 and 1984 strikes. In 1984 we fought not just for our jobs and industry but for all workers. We fought to preserve our industrial base not to destroy it as Thatcher succeeding in doing. To destroy industry in favour of banking and finance economy, she first had to destroy the unions.

So look where her grand plan of a banking and finance economy has got us now.

You do not have a clue what you’re talking about. Do you think we went on strike for 12 months to destroy our own economy? We went on strike to protect it from that evil woman. I blame all the woes we have today and our bankers culture of greed, on that woman. Have you got a clue what it’s like to go on strike with a young family, mortgage etc, without pay for 12 months. Do you think miners enjoyed loosing homes and marriages and enjoyed the pitched battles with Thatcher’s private army of a police force?

Now the government are saying we need to revive our industrial base. A bit late now I think, the horse has bolted. Don’t you dare say the miners tried to destroy the economy
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Thank god, someone else who knows the truth. I did not count to 10 I'm afraid. But he got me so annoyed, with his ignorant rant. I also lived and suffered though those times.:cheers: .
 
Shaunmg said:
II was a miner for 22 years, I lived through the 1972, 74 and 1984 strikes. In 1984 we fought not just for our jobs and industry but for all workers. We fought to preserve our industrial base not to destroy it as Thatcher succeeding in doing. To destroy industry in favour of banking and finance economy, she first had to destroy the unions.

So look where her grand plan of a banking and finance economy has got us now.

You do not have a clue what you’re talking about. Do you think we went on strike for 12 months to destroy our own economy? We went on strike to protect it from that evil woman. I blame all the woes we have today and our bankers culture of greed, on that woman. Have you got a clue what it’s like to go on strike with a young family, mortgage etc, without pay for 12 months. Do you think miners enjoyed loosing homes and marriages and enjoyed the pitched battles with Thatcher’s private army of a police force?

Now the government are saying we need to revive our industrial base. A bit late now I think, the horse has bolted. Don’t you dare say the miners tried to destroy the economy
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Miners didn't go on strike for all workers, they went on strike for themselves and their ideals. Much of the heavy industry in this country was archaic and heavily subsidised. And even then it couldn't compete with cheap foreign imports from the Far East. Thatcher had the balls to take in the iron grip that some Unions wanted to exercise on this country and did it a favour by breaking the Unions up at a time they were holding us back.

Apart from Blair's early years, name a better Prime Minister we've had in the last 50 years.
 
Blairs early years? He was Crap when he got in and was even Crapper when Gords gift finally replaced him. Never liked the bloke and struggle to think of one good thing he did for the country. He only got in because the Tories were in total disarray and meltdown.
 
Apologies for opening up a bigger can of worms than I realised I was about to...

Apologies for my silence yesterday but I received an unexpected invite out that I couldn't refuse...


Apologies but I believe some of my 'sentiments' have been mis-interpreted as I have most probably expressed myself poorly in the written word...
 
DaveM said:
P.S. Just looked at your profile. Correct me if I'm wrong. But you do not have room to comment. As myself and the other tax payers on here. Appear to be keeping you at the moment??
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I'll answer this one first... No your are not 'keeping' me and neither is anyone else... Yes I am seeking employment [made redundant last September]... But rather than sit on my arse I accept the offers of casual work [and the odd dip into my savings] to tide me over until I can find a 'proper' job... Hopefully I can avoid the ignominy of having to ask for handouts from fellow tax payers... But it would appear that I am now of an age that doesn't appear to fit the 'right demographic' for employment... Whatever that means...
 
AuburnWarrior said:
Scum?? That's a bit harsh, isn't it??
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Granted not a good choice of adjective...

Bob Diamond, as the Chief executive of Barclays, has overseen huge profits at Barclays year on year. If Barclays choose to reward him by paying his taxes then why shouldn't they?? They only have to answer to their shareholders.
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Exactly, total arrogance! No concern then for their customers... The ones that actually place their money with the banks so they can operate...

"banks are in denial about public anger at their behaviour"

"it is because they found it very, very difficult to face up to the failure of their banking model"

Not my words but those of Sir Mervyn King... Governer of The Bank of England...
 
MegaSteve said:
Exactly, total arrogance! No concern then for their customers... The ones that actually place their money with the banks so they can operate...

How is it total arrogance? Banks make no money from retail customers depositing cash with them. It's cheaper for banks to borrow money on the money markets. Building Societies, however, operate on a different model and require depositors in order to offer mortgages, etc.
I suggest you do a bit of research on the difference between retail banking (high street banks/building societies) and Investment Banking. It'll take you a good while as the world of Investment Banking is massive, extremely intricate and very complex. But, in the mean time, please continue to make sweeping statements that are both offensive and inaccurate.

"banks are in denial about public anger at their behaviour"

"it is because they found it very, very difficult to face up to the failure of their banking model"

Not my words but those of Sir Mervyn King... Governer of The Bank of England...

The Banks are in denial about the public anger because it's media and politically derived. The banks committed absolutely no crime. Everything they did was completely legal. The government at the time were completely aware of the CDO issue and wholeheartedly embraced it. Only when it went wrong did they publicly distance themselves from it.
I haven't read King's complete speech so I'm not sure what he's referring to but I'm guessing that he's talking about a Barclays scenario where they have a retail and an investment banking sector. I've always said that a bank that operates two such operations should be split so that one sides poor performance doesn't impact the other. That's common sense. However, in the case of RBS the split wasn't quite so clear cut. But, Investment Banking does work and has done for hundreds of years.
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Repost above.
 
Shaunmg said:
I have just counted to 10 and waited a bit before replying. I started reading your comments and found myself nodding in agreement until your last paragraph.

I was a miner for 22 years, I lived through the 1972, 74 and 1984 strikes. In 1984 we fought not just for our jobs and industry but for all workers. We fought to preserve our industrial base not to destroy it as Thatcher succeeding in doing. To destroy industry in favour of banking and finance economy, she first had to destroy the unions.

So look where her grand plan of a banking and finance economy has got us now.

You do not have a clue what you’re talking about. Do you think we went on strike for 12 months to destroy our own economy? We went on strike to protect it from that evil woman. I blame all the woes we have today and our bankers culture of greed, on that woman. Have you got a clue what it’s like to go on strike with a young family, mortgage etc, without pay for 12 months. Do you think miners enjoyed loosing homes and marriages and enjoyed the pitched battles with Thatcher’s private army of a police force?

Now the government are saying we need to revive our industrial base. A bit late now I think, the horse has bolted. Don’t you dare say the miners tried to destroy the economy
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Could you elaborate please Shaun :)
 
AuburnWarrior said:
Repost above.
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Bit difficult to reply to now :(... But hey hoe not to worry...
I'll have a read of Sir Mervyn's articles to find more ammo to make further sweeping [inaccurrate?] statements... As clearly, like myself, he doesn't care too much for the feelings of banker's...

Going back to an earlier point you made re football clubs having similiar tax avoidance arrangements for their 'star' players... That, for me, makes it even worse..
Puts BD in the same class as the overpaid graceless prima donna's of the Premier League...
RvP apart that is ;)...
 
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