How should the UK government deal with IS?

Depending on the intelligence available I would send in small special forces teams (as I suspect is already being done). We should also be attempting to assist and educate the local forces in the area. It is their battle to win ultimately. No "quick fix" though.
 
just keep bombing anything that moves that isnt friendly,this will let the ground troops from the neighbouring countries clear up,same with Syria find their strong holds and destroy them.This will take years but can be done,use intelligence to find sympathisers in this country and other countries do the same and lock them up for life,no phones, no computers, solitary confinement no human rights lefty running of to Strasbourg, 3 strikes of breaking rules let them swing and be buried in unmarked graves.
 
6inchcup said:
just keep bombing anything that moves that isnt friendly,this will let the ground troops from the neighbouring countries clear up,same with Syria find their strong holds and destroy them.This will take years but can be done,use intelligence to find sympathisers in this country and other countries do the same and lock them up for life,no phones, no computers, solitary confinement no human rights lefty running of to Strasbourg, 3 strikes of breaking rules let them swing and be buried in unmarked graves.
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Sometimes it makes me wonder where people get their ideas on these subjects. How is Afghanistan working in your eyes? The main men for the Taliban just moved elsewhere. They do not necessarily have these great big strong holds as they know we will just go after them, so they have smaller strongholds all over the place and keep moving them to try and avoid detection. These blokes running them are not stupid, they do not just stick everything they have in one big warehouse and fly a flag to show us where they are.

It doesn't matter how good the intelligence is these blokes have a habit of always being one step ahead. The best example will always be Northern Ireland. We knew what was going on and where these IEDs where being made, yet some still slipped under the radar and got used. Did we actually win or did both sides come to a ceasefire? Problem is these extreemists we fight now will never give in.
 
MadAdey said:
Sometimes it makes me wonder where people get their ideas on these subjects. How is Afghanistan working in your eyes? The main men for the Taliban just moved elsewhere. They do not necessarily have these great big strong holds as they know we will just go after them, so they have smaller strongholds all over the place and keep moving them to try and avoid detection. These blokes running them are not stupid, they do not just stick everything they have in one big warehouse and fly a flag to show us where they are.

It doesn't matter how good the intelligence is these blokes have a habit of always being one step ahead. The best example will always be Northern Ireland. We knew what was going on and where these IEDs where being made, yet some still slipped under the radar and got used. Did we actually win or did both sides come to a ceasefire? Problem is these extreemists we fight now will never give in.
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Spot on assesment
 
MadAdey said:
Sometimes it makes me wonder where people get their ideas on these subjects. How is Afghanistan working in your eyes? The main men for the Taliban just moved elsewhere. They do not necessarily have these great big strong holds as they know we will just go after them, so they have smaller strongholds all over the place and keep moving them to try and avoid detection. These blokes running them are not stupid, they do not just stick everything they have in one big warehouse and fly a flag to show us where they are.

It doesn't matter how good the intelligence is these blokes have a habit of always being one step ahead. The best example will always be Northern Ireland. We knew what was going on and where these IEDs where being made, yet some still slipped under the radar and got used. Did we actually win or did both sides come to a ceasefire? Problem is these extreemists we fight now will never give in.
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Your right... Probably best to just Nuke the Middle East and be done with it all.
 
MadAdey said:
Sometimes it makes me wonder where people get their ideas on these subjects. How is Afghanistan working in your eyes? The main men for the Taliban just moved elsewhere. They do not necessarily have these great big strong holds as they know we will just go after them, so they have smaller strongholds all over the place and keep moving them to try and avoid detection. These blokes running them are not stupid, they do not just stick everything they have in one big warehouse and fly a flag to show us where they are.

It doesn't matter how good the intelligence is these blokes have a habit of always being one step ahead. The best example will always be Northern Ireland. We knew what was going on and where these IEDs where being made, yet some still slipped under the radar and got used. Did we actually win or did both sides come to a ceasefire? Problem is these extreemists we fight now will never give in.
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So what should we do about it! Give in?
 
SocketRocket said:
So what should we do about it! Give in?
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Problem is there is no way of actually winning. Unlike other wars we are not actually at war with a country and it's leader. We are at war with a race of people that reside in every nation across the world. When we bombed places like Dresden in WW2 the country was fully behind the destruction of Germany, as they were the enemy. We had a problem with terrorists in Ireland, but flattening the place was never the answer, we just had to do what we could to keep control and minimise the damage being caused.
 
DAVEYBOY said:
In this case my tounge is firmly stuck to the bottom of my mouth :thup:
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i didn't think anything else. But you do get people that believe that is the answer though.

I'm ex forces so do not get me wrong, I am not against lethal force as that would make me a hypocrite for all the bombs I have strapped onto aircraft in these sandy climates. Problem is you have to make sure you are killing the right people or you are committing murder.

i think the phrase "damned if do, damned if you don't!" Sums it up
 
I quite like the idea of just flattening the whole place but is that really a good idea? This is probably born out of rage due to the events that have gone before though and this is possibly what they want.

Wasting all those civilian and forces lives and not to mention a shedload of money is no good unless it will achieve something. Bombing them may strengthen their cause as has been mentioned so we need to be very careful.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place and to get out of that place we need to get back to being one step ahead of these nutters. Whatever that is im not sure but I think just bombing the hell out of the place wont work. This is where the leaders will earn their money making the tough decisions, hopefully they have got something up their sleeve to help resolve this.
 
Not sure how you do it but it must be about winning people over through education rather than bombing. Find it had to believe that in this day and age people still believe in their religions with such conviction.
 
scottbrown said:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=098_1412378328

As is said in this statement from IS though, they want western troops on the ground.
Maybe it's time to up the ante, give the country notice so the innocent can leave and then absolutely flatten it from the air leaving nothing.
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Hey, I found where you got your argument from.

[video=youtube_share;dMHDBL7CNA4]http://youtu.be/dMHDBL7CNA4[/video]
 
MadAdey said:
i didn't think anything else. But you do get people that believe that is the answer though.

I'm ex forces so do not get me wrong, I am not against lethal force as that would make me a hypocrite for all the bombs I have strapped onto aircraft in these sandy climates. Problem is you have to make sure you are killing the right people or you are committing murder.

i think the phrase "damned if do, damned if you don't!" Sums it up
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Well yes it would be impossible to kill only the enemy but we could simply label the rest as potential future recruits... The longer you leave these people to operate the more new recruits they will recieve and the bigger the threat will become. In all honesty saying nuke the lot is a stupid comment for me to make as it would never ever happen (Wishful thinking) but something really needs to happen with this threat and religion across the entire world as its getting out of control. How can I trust one Muslim from another when any one of them have the potential to rip a blade out and attempt to publicly execute me.
 
DAVEYBOY said:
Well yes it would be impossible to kill only the enemy but we could simply label the rest as potential future recruits... The longer you leave these people to operate the more new recruits they will recieve and the bigger the threat will become. In all honesty saying nuke the lot is a stupid comment for me to make as it would never ever happen (Wishful thinking) but something really needs to happen with this threat and religion across the entire world as its getting out of control. How can I trust one Muslim from another when any one of them have the potential to rip a blade out and attempt to publicly execute me.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with being a Muslim. All that takes is a psychopath or disturbed individual suffering from paranoid schizophrenia such as the murder of the woman in Tenerife a few years ago. So in that sense, how can you trust one person from another when they have the potential to rip a blade out and attempt to publicly execute you?
 
Birchy said:
I quite like the idea of just flattening the whole place but is that really a good idea? This is probably born out of rage due to the events that have gone before though and this is possibly what they want.

Wasting all those civilian and forces lives and not to mention a shedload of money is no good unless it will achieve something. Bombing them may strengthen their cause as has been mentioned so we need to be very careful.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place and to get out of that place we need to get back to being one step ahead of these nutters. Whatever that is im not sure but I think just bombing the hell out of the place wont work. This is where the leaders will earn their money making the tough decisions, hopefully they have got something up their sleeve to help resolve this.
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But where or what is the whole place? They are like a lethal virus that is spreading invasively and not locally within an innocent host's body. Too easy to kill the host when trying to eradicate the virus.

Our greatest hope lies with the UK Muslim community - to condemn and damn outright as they have done and ensure that ISIS/ISIL get's zero support in the UK. That way they muslim community by it's words and actions reduces likelihood of any terrorist attack on us. And that enables us to support the counties affected by ISI/ISIL in ridding themselves of that scourge.
 
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We need to identify where their arms are coming from and cut that supply off along with the funding they are getting, starve them of all resources, any country's known to support or supply them have immediate sanctions put in place and are cut-off, make sure all country's do not pay ransoms, intelligence from airports of Europeans travelling in & out of the country (Syria, Iraq, Turkey) from across the world, large donations in & out of bank accounts that are not major corporate business need to be identified and frozen, pinpoint strongholds and flatten them, we need a lot of intelligence gathering which I am positive is happening but some Middle East country's, who are saying the right things publicly, will still be slightly holding back on key information which could help more!

New laws need to be set up immediately with regards to UK or European citizens leaving the country to take up arms, its nothing less than treason and as such we need to update and renew some very old antiquated laws to protect our shores from those looking to return and becoming sleepers over here and recruit new followers. If some of these hold dual passports then its simple to me, deport them to their preferred other identity and let them live in the country they are fighting in and for.

If the world has changed so much, we need to change and adapt our laws to suit this hostility quickly.
 
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