rulefan
Tour Winner
I know these are permitted in appropriate circumstances but does anyone have any experience of over strong balls bouncing out or trickles getting caught on the lip?
Hole inserts
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Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
I have had a ball bounce back out after hitting the lip of a hole liner, but that was sunken the normal 20 mm or so.
cliveb
Head Pro
Last round of our winter eclectic two years ago a 30ft birdie putt hit the centre of the cup and bounced straight back out. Perhaps it was just a tad strong, but I am 99% convinced it would have dropped without the plastic ring.
NB. Ring was not sunk, almost flush with top of hole.
NB. Ring was not sunk, almost flush with top of hole.
rulefan
Tour Winner
A bit odd. The normal liner is 25mm below the surface and less that 1mm thick. A ball is 42 mm diam. The ball was more then 50% into the hole. And it bounced upwards off a 1mm 'shelf'?
upsidedown
Tour Winner
Will let you know as putting them in this week to hopefully alleviate hole damage when folks try flicking ball out with the flag 😢
rulefan
Tour Winner
How does that tally with the R&A/USGA caveat 'unless the nature of the soil makes it impracticable to do so' ?
upsidedown
Tour Winner
Only fun comps through the Winter period due to greatly fore shortened course , something I'd like to change but other works will have priority after this wet autumn.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Don't ask me how, but yes it bounced back out. I think I must have upset someone or something before it
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
We tried this and the ball brought the liner out on some holes.
Our GK was not amused .
rulefan
Tour Winner
How was the ball being extricated?
rulie
Head Pro
Sounds like the players were lifting the ball out with the flagstick (flicking ball out with the flag).
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Yes this .
OurHead Greenkeeper is not happy with the new rule.
And he has every right to be ,lazy members and visitors are damaging the hole doing this.
We also noticed the the hole being deformed on windy days when the ball is just in the hole.
The soil stayed deformed but the liner sprang back to round.
This created a gap between the hole and the liner, it was quite visible.
Never seen a ball get stuck but heard a few stories.
This being the case we don’t use them anymore.
But just in general we can clearly see the holes this year have been damaged and needed to be moved more often this year.
But maybe the weather has had a influence in this.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Yes, Just been talking to out GK about the condition of the course and he commented on the way the continuous rain has badly softened the greens surface
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
We had a discussion in the clubhouse last week.
Some were complaining that the pins were in silly positions and were going underwater.
It was pointed out to them they were in the highest points on the greens.
But because of footfall around the hole the water was settling in the footprints making it look like the green was flooded.
Never seen my course so wet as this year, just hope it improves next year.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
So with greens softer & wetter than you’ve ever seen and due to players flicking the ball out when removing flag... it’s the rule that your GK is unhappy with
Strange, I’d’ve thought it would be the players vandalising the course he would be upset with. Nowhere in the rule does it instruct players to extract their ball by pulling the flag out to flick the ball up & out
backwoodsman
Tour Winner
I can see your point - but one can't really deny that the problem is an unintended consequence of the rule change. Previously, (for the most part) the ball & the flag weren't in the hole at the same time, so the lazy & the inconsiderate weren't given the opportunity to be gits.So with greens softer & wetter than you’ve ever seen and due to players flicking the ball out when removing flag... it’s the rule that your GK is unhappy with
Strange, I’d’ve thought it would be the players vandalising the course he would be upset with. Nowhere in the rule does it instruct players to extract their ball by pulling the flag out to flick the ball up & out
rulefan
Tour Winner
I don't think the problem is new but may be more prevalent because of the rule change. Despite many clubs warning players, some have always used their putter to get the ball out of the hole or used the flagstick if lucky enough to have chipped in.
EG have reminded me that unless the reason for using inserts is specifically because of the 'soil condition', then rounds would not count as Qualifiers. This is not a new decision.
EG have reminded me that unless the reason for using inserts is specifically because of the 'soil condition', then rounds would not count as Qualifiers. This is not a new decision.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
But until the rule change the ball and flag were never in together unless you chipped in.So with greens softer & wetter than you’ve ever seen and due to players flicking the ball out when removing flag... it’s the rule that your GK is unhappy with
Strange, I’d’ve thought it would be the players vandalising the course he would be upset with. Nowhere in the rule does it instruct players to extract their ball by pulling the flag out to flick the ball up & out
It’s an unintended consequence of a rule change as some golfers don’t care as long as they are ok.
The GK s job has been made harder by these lazy idiots .
As he has to change the holes more often due to damage.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Yeah I get what you're saying. Just seems a little bit like the only thing keeping these idiots from doing more damage is the rules
Almost as if their default is to cause damage unless something stops them
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I think most of them don’t really realise they are damaging the hole.
As it’s a small amount every time someone does it but it adds up over the day.
But to give the GK his due he called it before the rule change came in .
Most seniors have those things on the end of the putters and they are ok. But they don’t work with the flag in.
But it’s all ages not just them ,I have seen juniors do it, I tried to explain to them why they shouldn’t, but I was like something off another planet in their eyes.
It’s a minority of very uniformed players that need educating.
We have posters in the locker room now ,but time will tell.
