Has Suarez done it again?

[Deleted member 15344]

The sponsorship angle is an interesting one.
How many Club sponsors are going to want to be associated with LS....?

The amount of club sponsors at the club have increased over the last 3 years and have two more in the pipeline

The incident puts Liverpool in the news - at press conferences the sponsors name will appear all over the boards

It might even increase the amount of sponsorship - any news is good news for them.

 

[One Planer]

That's where the grey line is - which offences warrant it

If you include bitting a player then headbutting , broken limbs , spitting , possibly abuse of the officials start to creep into those areas

I would have no qualms about it as long as it's consistent which is half the problem in football - there is no consistency in the punishments handed out to players - in all the areas both club and country. So far in the last 3 years 5 players have been banned for racist abuse towards players - no punishment was the same

Bendtner for example got an £80 grand fine for showing paddy power on his boxers - Serbia got fined £26 grand for racist abuse towards players from their fans !

There is no grey area.

Tackles happen in football, malicious or genuine. There's often pushing shoving and heads being put into opponents faces (See Pepe during this world cup as an example) Players get causght in the face with elbows. Sometime maliciously, sometimes not. Unfortunatley, people get hurt playing football, that comes with playing the game.

What doesn't happen in football are things like biting (Suarez), pushing/attacking referees (See Di Canio), Attacking fans (Cantona). These things, and any ban be it international, or domestic should carry over to ALL aspects of the game as they are not considered part of the game of football.

The punishment effectively fits the crime, as it (nearly) does in the case of Suarez.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Dangerous yes, malicious IMO no pre meditated and attempted 12 months previous no.

So I guess someone like Pepe right now should be banned from all forms of the game ?

And suggestions of pre meditation are just pure guesses

 

[richart]

Did he get fined ? I assume he will be paid a few million over the next four months, or can Liverpool dock his pay ?

 

[bladeplayer]

The issue wasn't sorted as the exact same thing has happened again.

I personally think he's trying to engineer a move out of Liverpool myself.

He hasnt reoffended whilst under the (for want of a better word) care of LFC tho ..

how ever they are/were controlling him it was working ..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did he get fined ? I assume he will be paid a few million over the next four months, or can Liverpool dock his pay ?

Heard 100 thousand so guess that's Euros - the fines handed out are nothing.

 

[Slime]

There is no grey area.

Tackles happen in football, malicious or genuine. There's often pushing shoving and heads being put into opponents faces (See Pepe during this world cup as an example) Payers get causght in the face with elbows. Sometime maliciously, sometimes not. Unfortunatley, people get hurt playing football, that comes with playing the game.

What doesn't happen in football are things like biting (Suarez), pushing/attacking referees (See Di Canio), Attacking fans (Cantona). These things, and any ban be it international, or domestic should carry over to ALL aspects of the game as they are not considered part of the game of football.

The punishment effectively fits the crime, as it (nearly) does in the case of Suarez.

Cantona was banned for EIGHT months for retalliating to Matthew Simmons, a fan who had run down 11 rows of stairs to confront and shout abuse at Cantona. Simmons was alleged to have used the words (MOD EDIT).
Whilst his actions were TOTALLY WRONG, at least he had a reason!


Slime.

P.S. I would sooner be kicked than bitten.

 

[pbrown7582]

Did he get fined ? I assume he will be paid a few million over the next four months, or can Liverpool dock his pay ?

That'll be down to the small print I would guess they'll have to pay him same as last year when he was suspended at start of season.

 

[bladeplayer]

People always trot stuff like that out at times like this. The fans are not the club/team so the Serbians only have so much control over them. When somebody has actually committed an offence and are charged themselves they are always going to be punished harder.

FWIW I think he has got off lightly. 3rd offence now and he should have been looking at the maximum 2 year ban from international football.

The domestic ban is harsh on Liverpool but not on Suarez, tough one that. Never heard of it impacting on a players club like that before.

yep

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There is no grey area.

Tackles happen in football, malicious or genuine. There's often pushing shoving and heads being put into opponents faces (See Pepe during this world cup as an example) Players get causght in the face with elbows. Sometime maliciously, sometimes not. Unfortunatley, people get hurt playing football, that comes with playing the game.

What doesn't happen in football are things like biting (Suarez), pushing/attacking referees (See Di Canio), Attacking fans (Cantona). These things, and any ban be it international, or domestic should carry over to ALL aspects of the game as they are not considered part of the game of football.

The punishment effectively fits the crime, as it (nearly) does in the case of Suarez.

Sorry but two footed tackles have been considered no longer part of the game , same with elbows , head butts etc

So because they happen more often but could and will cause more damage to the player they should be treated the same ?

Again Gomes etc assaulted the linesman and ref - their ban was only for international football

 

[bladeplayer]

Yes, but that's not the point.
Suarez' bite was a premeditated assault on an opponent several yards off the ball when the referee would not be looking, a cowardly attack.
Valencia's was a full blooded tackle during which his foot bounced/rolled off the ball onto his opponent's leg. Dangerous, yes ................ premeditated, no, behind the ref's back, definitely not.

Subtle differences there.


Slime.

Really ? premeditated? it was alot of thing but not that , spur of the moment , red mist whatever. personally i couldnt see it being premeditated tho

 

[One Planer]

Sorry but two footed tackles have been considered no longer part of the game , same with elbows , head butts etc

So because they happen more often but could and will cause more damage to the player they should be treated the same ?

Again Gomes etc assaulted the linesman and ref - their ban was only for international football

The proof comes from the intent.

Players tackling for a ball at pace, when does a genuine tackle become malicious? Then there's proving it.

I suppose Gomes had previous for assaulting officials? maybe twice, in different leagues :mmm:

The exception with Suarez in this instance is that he has previous. He had bitten 2 separate players from 2 separate clubs in 2 different leagues.

I don't know Phil. Maybe there is a conspiracy against Suarez and Liverpool. Myabe Suarez lawyer knows something the rest of the world doesn't?

 

[Imurg]

One assumes that if the name Luis Suarez was substituted with Iago Aspas there would still be copious amounts of wailing and knashing of teeth (Oops!) as to the severity of the punishment handed down......

 

[Pin-seeker]

He hasnt reoffended whilst under the (for want of a better word) care of LFC tho ..

how ever they are/were controlling him it was working ..

Let's not forget that this is a grown man were talking about. Liverpool have done well controlling him because he hasn't bit anyone for about 14month

He's now massive odds on to stay at Liverpool,obviously the bookies are convinced that no other mugs want him.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The proof comes from the intent.

Players tackling for a ball at pace, when does a genuine tackle become malicious? Then there's proving it.

I suppose Gomes had previous for assaulting officials? maybe twice, in different leagues :mmm:

The exception with Suarez in this instance is that he has previous. He had bitten 2 separate players from 2 separate clubs in 2 different leagues.

I don't know Phil. Maybe there is a conspiracy against Suarez and Liverpool. Myabe Suarez lawyer knows something the rest of the world doesn't?

Surely going in with two feet or head butting or throwing shows intent ? All players know they are outlawed

As soon as you start to mention exceptions then grey areas appear.

Did you know that Defoe was caught on camera biting a player - guess what punishment he received

Consistency is the key - none of them are

 

[CMAC]

Heard 100 thousand so guess that's Euros - the fines handed out are nothing.

Swiss Francs

 

[Deleted member 15344]

One assumes that if the name Luis Suarez was substituted with Iago Aspas there would still be copious amounts of wailing and knashing of teeth (Oops!) as to the severity of the punishment handed down......

Wailing ?! - there hasn't been any wailing - just people discussing what is happening

And yes the reaction would be the same regardless of who the player is

 

[standrew]

Perfectly fair decision by fifa. Is funny to hear the victim mentality lot bitching about it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Perfectly fair decision by fifa. Is funny to hear the victim mentality lot bitching about it.

Victim mentality lot ? Care to expand ?

 

[Imurg]

Wailing ?! - there hasn't been any wailing - just people discussing what is happening

And yes the reaction would be the same regardless of who the player is

Plenty of wailing and whining going on - you just can't hear it.

So substitute the name Ya Ya Toure and you'd still be up in arms about it...?

Really...?