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Papas1982 said:
The cinematography was as good as ever. My main complaints weren’t in regards to the end result. I just felt some many characters having relatively happy endings wasn’t very GOT’s like lol
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I do think it went soft in this last series. More big characters survived than in the earlier series. I think many, me included, were expecting carnage of most big characters whereas most survived, no real goodies died. The shocks of past series were not there. I'm okay with that, slept well last night unlike after other episodes o_O, but like you, I understand the grumpiness of some.

Who would have thought that GoT would have had a fluffy and warm ending?

At the moment one of the women at work is watching from series 1. She has just seen Joffrey die, is about to see a head explode like a melon and Ramsay is just warming up. Ahhh, those were the days :LOL:
 
So has anyone noticed or considered that Bran could possess flying creatures and see through the eyes of other beings? Why not a dragon? Why was he the one who was "going to find Drogon" at the end. Lucky for him that Drogon burned down that throne and he ended up King I guess.

I really believed Tyrion would be the last death we'd see. The fact he wasn't executed surprised me, but like I said earlier I thought his ending was perfect.

Still thinking through various other questions spawned by the last episode and the more I think about it the more I liked it.

I think the only thing that truely disappointed me is I would have liked just one more line from Tormund. Even if it was just asking Jon if he'd brought Brienne with him.
 
Jimaroid said:
So has anyone noticed or considered that Bran could possess flying creatures and see through the eyes of other beings? Why not a dragon? Why was he the one who was "going to find Drogon" at the end. Lucky for him that Drogon burned down that throne and he ended up King I guess.
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That's exactly what Bran meant, he's going to use his Warg abilities to find Drogon. Whether or not that's by directly warging into Drogon, or via other flying beasts isn't clear but I assume he'll enjoy the challenge.
 
Kellfire said:
That's exactly what Bran meant, he's going to use his Warg abilities to find Drogon. Whether or not that's by directly warging into Drogon, or via other flying beasts isn't clear but I assume he'll enjoy the challenge.
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I'm implying he's already possessed Drogon in the past.
 
Papas1982 said:
I just felt some many characters having relatively happy endings wasn’t very GOT’s like lol
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Every single character had a sad ending imo, except maybe Bronn (but then he is cast as the Tom Bombadil character imo, aka he doesn't concern himself with the wider world). Some obviously more than others but what an awful ending it would be if everyone was totally destroyed. We need hope that this is the turning point for Westeros.

Arya's - afflicted by Wanderlust, meaning Sansa and Aegon once again lose their sister having spent years not knowing where she was.

For Sansa - see above plus Aegon is put back to the Night's Watch.

Aegon - has to live with killing the woman he loved, and subjected to the Watch albeit as the leader.

Tormund - loved Brianne, didn't get her.

Tyrion - lost his entire family

Grey Worm - lost only person he ever loved romantically, and is torn by his loyalty to Danyerys whom he couldn't save.

Brianne - lost Jaime whom she loved.

Sam - lost many friends and his entire family house.

Bran - hard to judge because has found peace as the Three Eyed Raven but I feel that with that comes a remoteness from humanity that in itself is a burden.


I'm sure I've missed many of the survivors but I think they'll all take a long time to come to terms with their loss and I definitely don't think anyone had a "relatively" happy ending to a degree that still isn't tragic.
 
Jimaroid said:
I'm implying he's already possessed Drogon in the past.
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If it was that simple, I wondered why he didn't warg to control one of the dragons at the Battle of Winterfell. Why risk Aegon or Danyerys as riders if they didn't need to? Instead he used ravens to spy during that battle. I don't think he can control Drogon yet. But that's just my interpretation.
 
Kellfire said:
Every single character had a sad ending imo, except maybe Bronn (but then he is cast as the Tom Bombadil character imo, aka he doesn't concern himself with the wider world). Some obviously more than others but what an awful ending it would be if everyone was totally destroyed. We need hope that this is the turning point for Westeros.

Arya's - afflicted by Wanderlust, meaning Sansa and Aegon once again lose their sister having spent years not knowing where she was.

For Sansa - see above plus Aegon is put back to the Night's Watch.

Aegon - has to live with killing the woman he loved, and subjected to the Watch albeit as the leader.

Tormund - loved Brianne, didn't get her.

Tyrion - lost his entire family

Grey Worm - lost only person he ever loved romantically, and is torn by his loyalty to Danyerys whom he couldn't save.

Brianne - lost Jaime whom she loved.

Sam - lost many friends and his entire family house.

Bran - hard to judge because has found peace as the Three Eyed Raven but I feel that with that comes a remoteness from humanity that in itself is a burden.


I'm sure I've missed many of the survivors but I think they'll all take a long time to come to terms with their loss and I definitely don't think anyone had a "relatively" happy ending to a degree that still isn't tragic.
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Jon Snow didn’t join the Nights Watch because it’s gone - he joined Tormund and the free folk going beyond the wall - believe Bran knew that and it’s the place Jon Snow was happiest
 
Kellfire said:
Every single character had a sad ending imo, except maybe Bronn (but then he is cast as the Tom Bombadil character imo, aka he doesn't concern himself with the wider world). Some obviously more than others but what an awful ending it would be if everyone was totally destroyed. We need hope that this is the turning point for Westeros.

Arya's - afflicted by Wanderlust, meaning Sansa and Aegon once again lose their sister having spent years not knowing where she was.

For Sansa - see above plus Aegon is put back to the Night's Watch.

Aegon - has to live with killing the woman he loved, and subjected to the Watch albeit as the leader.

Tormund - loved Brianne, didn't get her.

Tyrion - lost his entire family

Grey Worm - lost only person he ever loved romantically, and is torn by his loyalty to Danyerys whom he couldn't save.

Brianne - lost Jaime whom she loved.

Sam - lost many friends and his entire family house.

Bran - hard to judge because has found peace as the Three Eyed Raven but I feel that with that comes a remoteness from humanity that in itself is a burden.


I'm sure I've missed many of the survivors but I think they'll all take a long time to come to terms with their loss and I definitely don't think anyone had a "relatively" happy ending to a degree that still isn't tragic.
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Over the course of the entire show I'd go along with most of what you've said.

None of them exactly had a great life.

But considering how ruthless the show was. Many survived rather umblemished considering the danger they faced in the first battle for example.
 
Kellfire said:
Every single character had a sad ending imo, except maybe Bronn (but then he is cast as the Tom Bombadil character imo, aka he doesn't concern himself with the wider world). Some obviously more than others but what an awful ending it would be if everyone was totally destroyed. We need hope that this is the turning point for Westeros.

Arya's - afflicted by Wanderlust, meaning Sansa and Aegon once again lose their sister having spent years not knowing where she was. - She looked pretty darned happy on that boat. No more list, no more people to kill, she has freedom

For Sansa - see above plus Aegon is put back to the Night's Watch. - She is Queen of the North, a now independent kingdom. Looked pretty chuffed to me.

Aegon - has to live with killing the woman he loved, and subjected to the Watch albeit as the leader. - He is living free among with free folk, he gets his dog back as well. He can do what he likes now, no one is going past the wall to check up on him. He has no responsibility, again happy

Tormund - loved Brianne, didn't get her. - Lusted after Brianne, humped anything he could, remember the victory feast when he went off with prostitutes? Back out in the wilds where he belongs

Tyrion - lost his entire family - Gets to rebuild Kings Landing, is given a purpose for good. Note how he talked about sanitation for the masses

Grey Worm - lost only person he ever loved romantically, and is torn by his loyalty to Danyerys whom he couldn't save. - Sad ending but then he was full of anger and his purpose was to fight. Can't argue with you there

Brianne - lost Jaime whom she loved. - Again, fair point although she was in charge of the Kings guard and looked content when she closed the book. She can live on in a job that has honour

Sam - lost many friends and his entire family house. - Is head of his house, has his wife and child. Was he now Maister? His whole house was horrible to him. He looked pretty happy to me.

Bran - hard to judge because has found peace as the Three Eyed Raven but I feel that with that comes a remoteness from humanity that in itself is a burden. - He had contentment I think


I'm sure I've missed many of the survivors but I think they'll all take a long time to come to terms with their loss and I definitely don't think anyone had a "relatively" happy ending to a degree that still isn't tragic.
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I think it depends on how you see it. I saw it as a largely happy ending except for Greyworm
 
Papas1982 said:
There may be some truth in that.

Re Drogon not burning Jon. I didn’t think all Targs were fireproof. I thought that was her bit of magic which meant the dragons could be born in the first place?

The cinematography was as good as ever. My main complaints weren’t in regards to the end result. I just felt some many characters having relatively happy endings wasn’t very GOT’s like lol
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They had to give some happy endings. And most were bittersweet rather than full on joy.

In season 8 alone, they killed off Lyanna, Beric, Theon, Night King, Jorah, a dragon, Missandei, Varys, Euron, Kyburn, Hound, Mountain, Jamie, Cersei and Dany! Plus multiple armies and even a city.

There's at least 6 major plus some good secondary characters there. Any more and they may as well just beheaded everyone.

Id have liked to see either Jon or Tyrion go in the final episode though and it could easily have been achieved and believable within the plot. Overall no complaints though.
 
Kellfire said:
If it was that simple, I wondered why he didn't warg to control one of the dragons at the Battle of Winterfell. Why risk Aegon or Danyerys as riders if they didn't need to? Instead he used ravens to spy during that battle. I don't think he can control Drogon yet. But that's just my interpretation.
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That’s the point, it’s not. Not sure if it was in the book or early in the tv series, but it is explained that warging into simple creatures is easy (ravens etc), however, into a dragon (for example) is incredibly difficult as they are deeply intellectual and complicated creatures. It would have taken all Bran’s energy, and maybe he didn’t have enough, to make contact...let alone control it.

We saw how much difficulty he had controlling Hodor when he warged into him...and he was a simple being
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Jon Snow didn’t join the Nights Watch because it’s gone - he joined Tormund and the free folk going beyond the wall - believe Bran knew that and it’s the place Jon Snow was happiest
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He’d have been happiest with his family - Sansa and Arya. He didn’t get that. It was clear that taking the black again was a compromise for everyone - him and his enemies.
 
Papas1982 said:
Over the course of the entire show I'd go along with most of what you've said.

None of them exactly had a great life.

But considering how ruthless the show was. Many survived rather umblemished considering the danger they faced in the first battle for example.
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So you are basically saying people who lived had it easy? I think that’s nonsense. For some, death would’ve been sweet release. Tyrion has had nothing but scorn from almost everyone still loving but he must live on with that knowledge.
 
Wabinez said:
That’s the point, it’s not. Not sure if it was in the book or early in the tv series, but it is explained that warging into simple creatures is easy (ravens etc), however, into a dragon (for example) is incredibly difficult as they are deeply intellectual and complicated creatures. It would have taken all Bran’s energy, and maybe he didn’t have enough, to make contact...let alone control it.

We saw how much difficulty he had controlling Hodor when he warged into him...and he was a simple being
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I am in agreement with you.
 
TheDiablo said:
They had to give some happy endings. And most were bittersweet rather than full on joy.

In season 8 alone, they killed off Lyanna, Beric, Theon, Night King, Jorah, a dragon, Missandei, Varys, Euron, Kyburn, Hound, Mountain, Jamie, Cersei and Dany! Plus multiple armies and even a city.

There's at least 6 major plus some good secondary characters there. Any more and they may as well just beheaded everyone.

Id have liked to see either Jon or Tyrion go in the final episode though and it could easily have been achieved and believable within the plot. Overall no complaints though.
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Tyrion was stripped of everything he ever loved. We may see it as a happy ending but as he looked upon Jaime and Cersei lying there, dead, there’s no way he didn’t consider happiness in his own death.

And Aegon saw both women he ever loved die. One because he killed her. His greatest suffering is being alive.
 
Kellfire said:
So you are basically saying people who lived had it easy? I think that’s nonsense. For some, death would’ve been sweet release. Tyrion has had nothing but scorn from almost everyone still loving but he must live on with that knowledge.
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All I said was that imo the show was less cutt throat at the end.

They all endured horrific acts at some point. But in the end got to set sail into the sunset
 
Papas1982 said:
All I said was that imo the show was less cutt throat at the end.

They all endured horrific acts at some point. But in the end got to set sail into the sunset
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Yes because those who “survived”. The story was giving kudos to those who survived the seven series of cut throat stories! No one had it easy to get here.
 
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