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The reaction pretty much mirrored my own, except the whopping as I'm not American 😄. Anyone else secretly hoping Maisie appeared behind the bar at the end in full Arya costume? The place would have gone nuts. How much fun could she, and other cast members, have right now?
 
Jimaroid said:
Jon Snow is already dead so he's probably not going to die again. :D
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Was thinking this as well, also would this negate his claim to the Iron Throne? He certainly didn't think twice about using the old "I died" excuse to get out of the nights watch?
 
Jimaroid said:
Jon Snow is already dead so he's probably not going to die again. :D
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Actually a good point. As everyone who has had a purpose for the Lord of Light has died once that has been fulfilled, will we see the end of Jon Snow once he has helped remove Cersei from the throne.
 
The episode looked brilliant on my TV setup. You can have a calibrated tv but if the settings aren’t nailed in properly, it won’t make a lot of difference. It was filmed deliberately like this, therefore you need a setup that balances the dark and light, so that blacks aren’t crushed or whites clipped, meaning poor detail. Modern TVs have so many different settings that’s its very easy to get the balance wrong. Whacking it to Vivid mode will increase the brightness and you may see more info, but the blacks will be greyer and the whites overbearing..not what was intended by the show. Plus cheap TVs, or iPad viewing won’t do you any favours either. Would love to see the episode in 4k plus an HDR standard.

Here an article to help...

https://www.gamesradar.com/thought-...cinematographer-blames-it-on-you-pretty-much/
 
Piece, if it was deliberately filmed this way then why not advise viewers before it was broadcast? Either the cinematographer was incredibly arrogant or he has made a rick. I saw Thronecast last night. Scenes I could barely pick out on Monday were suddenly clear. Same TV, same settings. They had clearly played with the settings at their end to compensate.
 
Big_G said:
Was thinking this as well, also would this negate his claim to the Iron Throne? He certainly didn't think twice about using the old "I died" excuse to get out of the nights watch?
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GB72 said:
Actually a good point. As everyone who has had a purpose for the Lord of Light has died once that has been fulfilled, will we see the end of Jon Snow once he has helped remove Cersei from the throne.
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Both very good points about Jon but perhaps his oerposento be brought back wasn't just to remove Cersei from the throne but to be reborn as King Aegon Targaryian and restart the blood line.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Piece, if it was deliberately filmed this way then why not advise viewers before it was broadcast? Either the cinematographer was incredibly arrogant or he has made a rick. I saw Thronecast last night. Scenes I could barely pick out on Monday were suddenly clear. Same TV, same settings. They had clearly played with the settings at their end to compensate.
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The cinematographer is absolutely correct in saying that it's exactly how they intended it to be seen. But it's more interesting to see what he hasn't said - how he intends it to be seen and how a broadcaster broadcasts it are not the same. He's said everything they did in their post-production is correct (which I believe) so without explicitly saying it he's having a dig at broadcasters and viewers, his implication is that the problem lies elsewhere. He's right.

This is a well known gripe within the circle of video production - broadcasters are not fully on board with the demands of broadcasting UHD+HDR at the quality intended because it costs them a lot more money in bandwidth.

Anyway, do you know what really annoys me in all this? Simply, if I'd downloaded a pirate copy I would have gotten a better quality picture. Fact is, the Sky/NowTV compression is abysmal and by watching things legitimately I'm getting a worse experience. I would gladly pay money to watch at better quality, as the cinematographer intends, but I can't without ripping them off. It's all daft.
 
Jimaroid, I accept what you are saying but does the cinematographer not have to understand how the show is going to be seen and work with that? For example, if you release a programme targetted for UHD, 4k or whatever, when few people have the ability to view on those sets then you are setting yourself up for a fall. In a silly way it is like Callaway releasing a driver with a small sweet spot that suits pro's and then wondering why amateurs don't like it.

I think from what you are saying the cinematographer has produced something that is ahead of his time but until the broadcasters catch up with that it is wasted. He is blaming the broadcasters but ultimately he knew the platform it was going to be viewed on before he filmed it.
 
The wife explained to me last night that she already knew who the Night King was, his back story was some two years ago, wish i had paid more attention instead of buggery about on a gold forum while that was on:ROFLMAO:
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Jimaroid, I accept what you are saying but does the cinematographer not have to understand how the show is going to be seen and work with that? For example, if you release a programme targetted for UHD, 4k or whatever, when few people have the ability to view on those sets then you are setting yourself up for a fall. In a silly way it is like Callaway releasing a driver with a small sweet spot that suits pro's and then wondering why amateurs don't like it.
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He absolutely will understand this and will know exactly how to target the dynamic range of different devices and video formats. But none of that stops a broadcaster "putting the wrong tape in the machine" for want of a better expression. I meant to say I do agree with your suggestion of a simple advisory at the start of the show to get viewers to set their black point. Gamma and Black calibration is something we do in videogames all the time as part of calibration for best end-user experience. It's just a matter of providing end-users a choice! Amazon Prime, Netflix, Apple, BBC etc. all give users options to watch in SD, HD, UHD+HDR so you get exactly what's intended in those formats.

There's an easy problem to understand here and it's the direction of conversion. Upscaling retains the same information. Downscaling loses information. The first is acceptable, the second isn't.

Simple fact is you cannot downscale from UHD+HDR to an SD or HD format without losing colour information, it's a lossy conversion. There isn't a single device that can replace information that doesn't exist in its input signal. And that's what's happened in this instance. A UHD video has been shown in SD and HD and all the colour information has been lost in that compression. My broadcaster, Sky/NowTV, downscaled without giving me any choice and there was nothing I could do about it.
 
Jimaroid, just for fun this evening I decided to follow your recommendation. I turned the setting on my TV to vivid, also turned the lights off to give the full cinema experience. It was a completely different experience, I saw so much more definition. I could actually follow what was happening so much more clearly. I think I am going to re watch the whole episode at this setting tomorrow night. 👍
 
Guys. Just for those saying the writers were too afraid to kill off the main characters, George Martin was an advisor on the script. It's meant to follow his plan for the books. OK. it's never going to be 100% but mostly the program will follow what will happen in the books.
 
So what do we think of that episode ?

Not so sure about Euron being able to shoot rhegar down like that with the first shots ?! That’s typical Hollywood stuff

They look like they are moving towards making Daenerys the mad queen - think it’s near certain that she will die now

Loving Sansa turning into a strong ruler and she will end up being on the Iron throne
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So what do we think of that episode ?

Not so sure about Euron being able to shoot rhegar down like that with the first shots ?! That’s typical Hollywood stuff

They look like they are moving towards making Daenerys the mad queen - think it’s near certain that she will die now

Loving Sansa turning into a strong ruler and she will end up being on the Iron throne
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I think Rhegar had to be shot whilst element of surprise was realistic. From that far hitting him once evading would be even more unrealistic.

Daenerys is a gonna. Could see her winning war and dying before she sits on the throne. Don't wanna see Sansa on there though.for me, she's lost all thread of humanity too with what she's gone through.
 
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Thought it was a pretty good episode overall, very tense stand off at the end before Missandre's sad demise. Also good dynamics/politics from the various characters touting for King/Queen. The hatred was palbable with Cersei/Dany, quite well done. The dragon getting shot was a surprise but those spears were fearsome and obviously the Lannisters have been preparing for the dragons arrival. Worked quite well I thought. Euron is quite a good 'bad guy' as is Cersei's apothecary/hand dude, forget his name.

A few farewells, glad to be shot of that annoying ginger Wildling, Tormund is it?

Criticism would again be it's far too rushed, there was no sense of time elapsing from the Winterfell battle to suddenly being at Kings Landing in ships. Even a bit of montage to give the viewer a sense of time and so travel distance would be helpful via clock hands turning fast or multiple sunsets/sunrises etc.
Didn't explain how Danaerys didn't have to swim for it as those ships were disintegrating or how Missandrie was kidnapped and also Bronn appearing with a crossbow then leaving just as easily again at Fortress Winterfell seemed a little silly.

Pretty good episode overall though.
 
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