GM King Of Kings Competition 2014

[CliveW]

I'm sorry, but these dates are far too early for a national competition. There will be an immense difference between the condition of courses in the North and South, grass up here doesn't start to grow until the end of March and we will definately still be playing off fairway mats and winter tees until the end of March, so even if the regional heats were to be played on a links course, the conditions would not be great and we wouldn't have had any practice playing off real turf, and then the winners will have to play in a national final less than eight weeks into the season!
For that reason...... I'm out.

 

[El Bandito]

Fantastic work Virtuocity! Great of you to take on the work. I'll be in for one or more of the qualifiers depending on when/where they are. Format doesn't seem to work for some, here's hoping they will set something for later in the year which I will doubtless try to play in too.

 

[Robobum]

I'm sorry, but these dates are far too early for a national competition. There will be an immense difference between the condition of courses in the North and South, grass up here doesn't start to grow until the end of March and we will definately still be playing off fairway mats and winter tees until the end of March, so even if the regional heats were to be played on a links course, the conditions would not be great and we wouldn't have had any practice playing off real turf, and then the winners will have to play in a national final less than eight weeks into the season!
For that reason...... I'm out.

So much for year round golf on a links eh??!!

 

[CliveW]

So much for year round golf on a links eh??!!

I wouldn't dispute that, but as I don't live near a links course and even then, most are still on mats at that time of year, it doesn't bode well for competition golf in March.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So do we know yet why the cut off dates are so early ?

Why can't the regionals be completed by end of May and the national by the end of Aug or even September

Why isn't the comp being played on courses when they are in their prime

If you want it to be a "King of Kings" then at least make it the best you can

Why such a rush ?

 

[jimbob.someroo]

So do we know yet why the cut off dates are so early ?

Why can't the regionals be completed by end of May and the national by the end of Aug or even September

Why isn't the comp being played on courses when they are in their prime

Again, because it shouldn't be anywhere near the HFH day at the end of the season, and because people have enough difficulty getting in their matches already in the Summer as there's big club competitions, leagues and a lot of people are on holiday.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Again, because it shouldn't be anywhere near the HFH day at the end of the season, and because people have enough difficulty getting in their matches already in the Summer as there's big club competitions, leagues and a lot of people are on holiday.

Why can't you have the final during the HFH day or then play it before then end of July ?

But a cut of end of March when the weather is at it's most unpredictable ( course closures all over the country ) seems madness - even extend it by one month makes more sense.

 

[davidy233]

Well done to virtuocity for taking it on - I've never played in a Golf Monthly event and may not be able to play the National final - but if at all possible I'll play the Scottish Qualifier.

I don't see any reason why we can't find a course that's playing full length in Scotland in March.

 

[Fish]

Why can't you have the final during the HFH day or then play it before then end of July ?

But a cut of end of March when the weather is at it's most unpredictable ( course closures all over the country ) seems madness - even extend it by one month makes more sense.

Look mate, your just taking this round and round in circles, the organiser has set his stall out and so have the regional organisers, it is now what it is, either play in it or not, simples!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Look mate, your just taking this round and round in circles, the organiser has set his stall out and so have the regional organisers, it is now what it is, either play in it or not, simples!

Certainly not going to commit to paying money to play a course that could easily be on winter greens and winter tees.

Why be so rigid about the date when an extra month is no harm what so ever.

Also why can't posters offer suggestions to possibly improve the comp

Whilst in the RAF all the regional comps where done in the first week of May and then the regional finals 6 weeks later. Good warm up for the season.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

Why can't you have the final during the HFH day or then play it before then end of July ?

Because even taking 1% of the attention away from HFH on that day is not right. Rich and Rick have more than enough to worry about on that day. It's an absolute no-go to tie them in in my opinion (and I think the opinion of most).

It also creates an extra 'meet' for people to get involved with and put faces to names as the finals day, as stated, will have the option for others to come along.

But a cut of end of March when the weather is at it's most unpredictable ( course closures all over the country ) seems madness - even extend it by one month makes more sense.

The weather is unpredictable here all year round. We're still playing on perfectly fine courses here at the moment in the last week in November, what's to say March is going to be worse than now? Surely, as a general rule, Spring has better weather than Winter?

Added to the fact that almost every course in the country will put it's prices up in the summer, which will make it less appealing for people to get involved. We (the London region) could end up playing at somewhere like Ealing which is of incredible condition for less than £20 a head - in March last year the greens were running at 10.5 and I would expect the same again. That same meet a month later would be more like £50 a head.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because even taking 1% of the attention away from HFH on that day is not right. Rich and Rick have more than enough to worry about on that day. It's an absolute no-go to tie them in in my opinion (and I think the opinion of most).

It also creates an extra 'meet' for people to get involved with and put faces to names as the finals day, as stated, will have the option for others to come along.



The weather is unpredictable here all year round. We're still playing on perfectly fine courses here at the moment in the last week in November, what's to say March is going to be worse than now? Surely, as a general rule, Spring has better weather than Winter?

Added to the fact that almost every course in the country will put it's prices up in the summer, which will make it less appealing for people to get involved. We (the London region) could end up playing at somewhere like Ealing which is of incredible condition for less than £20 a head - in March last year, the greens were running at 10.5 and I would expect the same again. That same meet a month later would be more like £50 a head.

Again one extra month reduces that risk - in march last year we had a heavy snowfall which closed most course off.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

Certainly not going to commit to paying money to play a course that could easily be on winter greens and winter tees.

None of this will happen.

Why be so rigid about the date when an extra month is no harm what so ever.

The harm is that it will be more expensive and start clashing with more things people already have in place.

Also why can't posters offer suggestions to possibly improve the comp

PEople can, and have. The original thread was started on October 18. There's been over a month of discussion and various polls about it. A decision has been made and somebody has offered to give up their time to organise everything. Constant petty squabbles have been going on for the last month and a half about this (matchplay vs stroke / cost / no. of finalists / date / handicaps), sooner or later a decision had to be made so that it didn't drag on into next year.

 

[Fish]

Certainly not going to commit to paying money to play a course that could easily be on winter greens and winter tees.

Why be so rigid about the date when an extra month is no harm what so ever.

The regional organisers will be more than aware of the course/s that they choose and its potential condition at that time, so you need to trust them or opt out! For a final late in May I'm happy with a cut-off end of March latest as my club commitments start immediately in April and I along with others will become more restricted thereafter. Some regional organisers may extend their regional cut-off a little later into April or early May, but, that will be their personal choice and that will give some people who wish to play in more than 1 regional qualifier a further opportunity. I know my course so mine will be completed by end of March.

There is already a glutton of meets and comps throughout the summer, this is different as clearly described, so, as I said, your either in or not, your choice, nobody's forcing you, your just coming across argumentative.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

Again one extra month reduces that risk - in march last year we had a heavy snowfall which closed most course off.

If the course is closed for snow, we would get a full refund from the clubs and in all likelihood be able to rearrange for the next convenient time. You can't not arrange things cos of what 'might' happen. And as a point of note, it also snowed in April last year.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

None of this will happen.

The harm is that it will be more expensive and start clashing with more things people already have in place.

PEople can, and have. The original thread was started on October 18. There's been over a month of discussion and various polls about it. A decision has been made and somebody has offered to give up their time to organise everything. Constant petty squabbles have been going on for the last month and a half about this (matchplay vs stroke / cost / no. of finalists / date / handicaps), sooner or later a decision had to be made so that it didn't drag on into next year.

Sorry but I missed the initial thread

You cannot guarantee what the weather will be in march - so to say the course won't be on winter tee etc is wrong

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The regional organisers will be more than aware of the course/s that they choose and its potential condition at that time, so you need to trust them or opt out! For a final late in May I'm happy with a cut-off end of March latest as my club commitments start immediately in April and I along with others will become more restricted thereafter. Some regional organisers may extend their regional cut-off a little later into April or early May, but, that will be their personal choice and that will give some people who wish to play in more than 1 regional qualifier a further opportunity. I know my course so mine will be completed by end of March.

There is already a glutton of meets and comps throughout the summer, this is different as clearly described, so, as I said, your either in or not, your choice, nobody's forcing you, your just coming across argumentative.

Congrats on starting the GM Trilby Tour then.

What hat shall people be obliged to wear.

If you want to call a Tournament "King of Kings" then you need to ensure it lives to the name. Playing sodden courses in a March won't.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If the course is closed for snow, we would get a full refund from the clubs and in all likelihood be able to rearrange for the next convenient time. You can't not arrange things cos of what 'might' happen. And as a point of note, it also snowed in April last year.

But you can give yourself the best possible chance to play a course in as best condition as possible.

 

[virtuocity]

LiverpoolPhil thanks for all your comments and for even making them heard in the Scottish regional thread. Honestly, they are really welcome and I hope that it's something we can look at if we run this event again in the future. In the meantime, we've worked really hard to get the ball rolling so we're just going to stick with plans as they are at the moment. I really hope you choose to join in. If not, sorry that this comp hasn't met your expectations.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sorry but not in Jan Feb or March. Not going to pay out fees and petrol money ( no courses chosen near this area ) to play on courses still getting over the winter.