Giving Advice

[NorfolkShaun]

Can one player who has a GPS tell another player the distance he has?

If this is a no what is the penalty?

Was playing in a comp today and was pulled up rightly so though it did feel a little harsh for turning my ball on the green without marking it, then later in the round thay are giving each other distances and I thought you were not allowed to give advice.

 

[chrisd]

Can one player who has a GPS tell another player the distance he has?

If this is a no what is the penalty?

Was playing in a comp today and was pulled up rightly so though it did feel a little harsh for turning my ball on the green without marking it, then later in the round thay are giving each other distances and I thought you were not allowed to give advice.

You can give distances to anyone who asks, as the distance to the object is a matter of fact and not advice.

 

[Foxholer]

There are actually a few 'facts' that you can provide without penalty.

Here's a handy link. http://www.barryrhodes.com/2009/02/golf-rules-asking-for-and-giving-advice.html

 

[pbrown7582]

You can give distances to anyone who asks, as the distance to the object is a matter of fact and not advice.

:thup:

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Thats great thank you.

So if someone asks you can say thats 200 yards but not I would take a 9 iron

 

[backwoodsman]

Thats great thank you.

So if someone asks you can say thats 200 yards but not I would take a 9 iron

Correct. Saying "it's 200 yards" is not advice. (You might even say that "I'd take a 9 iron" is also not advice. At least, not good advice for 200 yards... )

 

[NorfolkShaun]

no true guess you really need a wedge

 

[DCB]

Was playing in a comp today and was pulled up rightly so though it did feel a little harsh for turning my ball on the green without marking it,

Out of curiosity, when they pulled you up for this what was the penalty they came up with ?

 

[NorfolkShaun]

One stroke penatly for touching my ball without marking it.

I turned it on the spot to get the alignment mark on the top

 

[Bratty]

The most interesting broken rule is saying "take your time". We say it so often, yet that is advice.

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Funny enough. I heard that said, but to be honest I guess it would be a tough one to pull someone up on unless you really felt it was done to put you off.

 

[MashieNiblick]

...You might even say that "I'd take a 9 iron" is also not advice. At least, not good advice for 200 yards... )

You have to be a bit careful with comments like that.

Decision 8-1/8 - Comment About Club Selection After Stroke, says

"Q. After playing a stroke, a player says: “I should have used a 5-iron.” Was the player in breach of Rule 8-1?

"A. If the statement was made casually, there was no breach. If the statement was made to another player who had a shot to play from about the same position, there was a breach."

So making a comment about what club you took could be a breach. I'd say making a comment about what club you would take, especially if it was addressed directly to another competitor (not a partner) would also be a breach.

Interested in any thoughts on this.

Incidently making a deliberately misleading comment is also a breach

Decision - 8-1/9 Misleading Statement About Club Selection

"Q. A made a statement regarding his club selection which was purposely misleading and was obviously intended to be overheard by B, who had a similar shot. What is the ruling?

"A. A was in breach of Rule 8-1 and lost the hole in match play or incurred a two-stroke penalty in stroke play."

 

[duncan mackie]

The most interesting broken rule is saying "take your time". We say it so often, yet that is advice.

not necessarily (and I would even go as far as to say very rarely).........but if enough people keep referencing it there will certainly be plenty of arguments about it on the course, and in the bar!

 

[6inchcup]

i love the useless advice that players in your group give thinking they are doing you a favour my all time favourite that come up now and again is when playing a longish par 3 and the bloke with the honour leaves it 20-30 yds short then declares "i took 5 iron,but i didnt hit it!! " smashing thanks for that.

 

[backwoodsman]

(You might even say that "I'd take a 9 iron" is also not advice. At least, not good advice for 200 yards... )

You have to be a bit careful with comments like that.

Decision 8-1/8 - Comment About Club Selection After Stroke, says

"Q. After playing a stroke, a player says: “I should have used a 5-iron.” Was the player in breach of Rule 8-1?

"A. If the statement was made casually, there was no breach. If the statement was made to another player who had a shot to play from about the same position, there was a breach."

So making a comment about what club you took could be a breach. I'd say making a comment about what club you would take, especially if it was addressed directly to another competitor (not a partner) would also be a breach.

Interested in any thoughts on this.

Incidently making a deliberately misleading comment is also a breach

Decision - 8-1/9 Misleading Statement About Club Selection

"Q. A made a statement regarding his club selection which was purposely misleading and was obviously intended to be overheard by B, who had a similar shot. What is the ruling?

"A. A was in breach of Rule 8-1 and lost the hole in match play or incurred a two-stroke penalty in stroke play."

Sigh... It's hard work on here sometimes. I meant it in the sense that where I come from, 200yd = 9 iron is no more advice than is saying that all you need to get to the moon is a big ladder.

 

[MashieNiblick]

Sigh... It's hard work on here sometimes. I meant it in the sense that where I come from, 200yd = 9 iron is no more advice than is saying that all you need to get to the moon is a big ladder.

Geddit now

:thup:

Ps In mitaigation I tend now to think in Forum distances.

 

[Slab]

The most interesting broken rule is saying "take your time". We say it so often, yet that is advice.

Often seen this example quoted ...it got me thinking about another & I don't know if its advice or not

Walking off the green a Player A says to FC Player B "Don't forget your wedge"

 

[bladeplayer]

The most interesting broken rule is saying "take your time". We say it so often, yet that is advice.

not necessarily (and I would even go as far as to say very rarely).........but if enough people keep referencing it there will certainly be plenty of arguments about it on the course, and in the bar!

Often seen this example quoted ...it got me thinking about another & I don't know if its advice or not

Walking off the green a Player A says to FC Player B "Don't forget your wedge"

Im always against this too as its kind of a throw away remark rather than advice , im fairly sure Bratty is right tho & to the best of my knowledge it was John Paramore[sp] that said it in an interview when asked what rule did he think was most frequently broken .. il be honest here and and say i do say it alot , i wouls see it as courtious rathe than rule breaking tho ..

& yes i know rules are not open to personal interpetation .. but i know whether im advising you or not ,

Advice in this aspect is meant in advice on a shot or stratagey , Dont forget your wedge is not that type of advice