free drop (different)

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How about this.
My ball ended up against a yellow hazard stake - on the side away from the hazard - not in it. Could not move the hazard stake.
I have checked the rules and think that if I had moved the stake (moveable obstruction) and the ball moved (eg into the hole) I could replace the ball.
However we couldn't move the stake easily.
Free drop?

AliB
 
But it is then in my interest to be struck weak, and unable to move it. Dropping away could add up to 3 club lengths sideways and may give me a line to the green, and I will be able to ground my club, and remove loose debris too.
 
If the boundary of the hazard is the outside surface of the stake (it is), and the ball is touching the stake, it is in the hazard. Page 43, definitions.

Rule 24-2, If a ball is in a water hazard, the player may not take relief from an imovable obstruction. Play it as it lies, or take relief under 26-1.

No free drop.
 
It doesn't matter, because you can't move the stake anyway.

However, if you could, the ball would still be in the hazard, as it was touching the line, so you can't ground a club etc, as you are in the hazard. If you take a drop, you are dropping out of the hazard.

If you weren't touching the stake, you aren't in the hazard, and can take a drop. If not in the hazard, you can ground your club in the hazard anyway. Simples.

But you are, so you can't.
 
It doesn't matter, because you can't move the stake anyway.

However, if you could, the ball would still be in the hazard, as it was touching the line, so you can't ground a club etc, as you are in the hazard. If you take a drop, you are dropping out of the hazard.

If you weren't touching the stake, you aren't in the hazard, and can take a drop. If not in the hazard, you can ground your club in the hazard anyway. Simples.

But you are, so you can't.
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I thought the golf ball, like in football, had to be wholly across the line (albeit in the case of water hazard or OOB posts an imaginary one).
:D
 
A ball is in a water hazard when it lies in, or any part of it touches the water hazard. p43, definitions.

If the stakes define the boundary, the stake is in the hazard, and its outside edge defines the boundary. If a line defines it, the line is the boundary. If stakes and line, the line is the boundary, and the stakes are inside the hazard.

If your ball touches the stake, you are in the hazard.
 
It doesn't matter, because you can't move the stake anyway.

However, if you could, the ball would still be in the hazard, as it was touching the line, so you can't ground a club etc, as you are in the hazard. If you take a drop, you are dropping out of the hazard.

If you weren't touching the stake, you aren't in the hazard, and can take a drop. If not in the hazard, you can ground your club in the hazard anyway. Simples.

But you are, so you can't.
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I get it. Forgot that the hazard ine is outside the stake, ie ball in hazard.
If I could have moved the stake, the ball is still in hazard, therefore I cannot ground club.
If I had moved the stake and ball had moved into the hole left by the stake (or beyond) I still can't move the ball without penalty as it is simply in a hazard?
But if I move stake and ball somehow rolls other way (unlikely) away from hazard, would that be okay to play?
Or would I have to put it back?
Cheers Murph

AliB
 
No, you can't move the stake at all if the ball is touching it. In a hazard, you get no relief from immovable objects, and a ball touching the stake is in the hazard. Play it as it lies, or take a penalty.

If it was near, but not touching, you could move the stake, or take a drop if you can't move it. If, in moving the stake the ball moves, than you just put it back where it was, no penalty.
 
But it is then in my interest to be struck weak, and unable to move it. Dropping away could add up to 3 club lengths sideways and may give me a line to the green, and I will be able to ground my club, and remove loose debris too.
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you mean like a certain TW who was too weak too move a couple of TV cables a 9 year could lift?
 
A ball is in a water hazard when it lies in, or any part of it touches the water hazard. p43, definitions.

If the stakes define the boundary, the stake is in the hazard, and its outside edge defines the boundary. If a line defines it, the line is the boundary. If stakes and line, the line is the boundary, and the stakes are inside the hazard.

If your ball touches the stake, you are in the hazard.
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Well, I learnt something new today. Thanks Mog.
 
A ball is in a water hazard when it lies in, or any part of it touches the water hazard. p43, definitions.

If the stakes define the boundary, the stake is in the hazard, and its outside edge defines the boundary. If a line defines it, the line is the boundary. If stakes and line, the line is the boundary, and the stakes are inside the hazard.

If your ball touches the stake, you are in the hazard.
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If (as for many courses) there are only stakes, where is the boundary in the area between the stakes?
 
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