Florida school shooting

[Old Skier]

Just seen Trumps latest tweet.

"So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!"

So he is saying the shooters classmates, some of whom may well have been killed, should look at themselves, take some responsibility and wonder why they did not report him. Essentially victim blaming dead or traumatised school kids. Unbelievable.

He had already been reported to the FBI

 

[FairwayDodger]

The NRA and the GOP might as well start shooting kids themselves they are so complicit in these tragedies.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Just seen Trumps latest tweet.

[FONT=&]"So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!"

[/FONT]So he is saying the shooters classmates, some of whom may well have been killed, should look at themselves, take some responsibility and wonder why they did not report him. Essentially victim blaming dead or traumatised school kids. Unbelievable.

One of Trump's first acts in office was to repeal Obama-era legislation that put increased constraints on mentally-ill people buying guns. Criminal.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Unfortunately very little will change after this one and the next one is not too far away.
Such a sad, sad state of affairs.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Unfortunately very little will change after this one and the next one is not too far away.
Such a sad, sad state of affairs.

Indeed. Trump clearly protecting the funding and support from the gun lobby and yet again has a lack of a grasp at the wider picture, essentially shifting the blame to those caught up in the atrocity and saying they should have done more to report the person responsible. As if they are going to know all the warning signs and even if they did report it, are the facilities in place to deal with mental health issues or like the UK is it a lottery on how well the service looks after these vulnerable young adults

 

[Imurg]

It's time that rank and file Americans stopped talking about it and took to the streets.
There's enough of them.
They need to mobilise or nothing will change.
Massive protest marches in every city is the only way they're going to force it
Plus the ring a candidate to run for the presidency on a Gun control ticket..

Sadly, I doubt any of this will happen..

 

[bobmac]

I was hoping to read some comments from the American members of the forum and what they think?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As a Christian I found Trump's address to the nation following the shooting rather nauseating - more so given his own character and views - and no mention of a certain three letter word starting in g. But of course in all things Trumpian it's actually really all about himself, and so his address would certainly be aimed to appeal to his core vote in the evangelical and gun-toting communities.

 

[Old Skier]

This has been going on for years but it appears it's easy to point the finger at one president.

The mans an idiot but those finger pointers need to get some sense of proportion on this when they are going on the blame game.

 

[londonlewis]

They could reign it in without compromising their much loved constitution.

Hand guns should be the maximum any civilian should be allowed . The type of gun being used in most of these atrocities is military grade stuff that should be nowhere near the hands of the general public . But it’s now too ingrained into their moronic psyche that the horse has bolted .

I listened to a number of senators talking about it.
One spoke about a gun he has owned that was made back in the 70s that can hold 21 bulletts. If they changed the laws that would classify that as a different type of weapon and he may no longer be allowed it. Which is his defence of why they shouldn't make any changes.

It beggars belief!

 

[bobmac]

They have dozens of gun shows all over America every weekend where you can buy guns with no checks whatsoever.

 

[patricks148]

When human life means less than changing a constitutional law, you know that nothing will change.

The arguments given by gun supporters are shameful but there is no moving them. It's like talking to a brick wall.
The issue then lies with the government and unfortunately the NRA has serious lobbying power. It's pretty much a dead end.

unfortunately so true.

I remember the last one, the news interviewed the headmaster and asked how it could have been avoided. Easily he said, if all the teachers and pupils had been armed... the mind boggles

 

[Taz]

You only have to look at the amount of cash being paid by the NRA to the lobbyists to see how things will never change

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

This has been going on for years but it appears it's easy to point the finger at one president.

The mans an idiot but those finger pointers need to get some sense of proportion on this when they are going on the blame game.

That presidents have tried and failed in the past does not excuse the current one from not bothering. There is time yet. What is different between this school shooting and the last one? Are the facts and circumstances of the last one not now known - and have not lessons been learned?

This latest shooting should not in itself be that which forms the basis for any legislative change - it should merely confirm the need and inject impetus given the understandings from the last one.

But when the Speaker of the House (of Congress) - Paul Ryan - says that they must take time to look at what happened and understand all the facts before deciding what - if anything - to do - well you know pretty much certainly that nothing is going to be done unless Trump perceives any personal advantage - which is depressing. But what do I know - I am not an American gun owner.

 

[Junior]

One of Trump's first acts in office was to repeal Obama-era legislation that put increased constraints on mentally-ill people buying guns. Criminal.

.... and its the only piece of legislation he had passed to date. Crazy.

 

[londonlewis]

This sums is up pretty well.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/opinion/thoughts-prayers-nra-funding-senators.html

 

[Beezerk]

Oh my, I’m reading this morning the armed officer at the school was at the scene within a minute or so but dropped his @rse. He stayed outside while the lad shot all the kids and teachers.

 

[londonlewis]

Oh my, I’m reading this morning the armed officer at the school was at the scene within a minute or so but dropped his @rse. He stayed outside while the lad shot all the kids and teachers.

I don't want this to come across the wrong way but I sort of hope this is true. It puts paid to the argument that 'good guys with guns will stop bad guys with guns, so let's just give more people guns'

How about you put measures in place to remove guns? All guns.

 

[Old Skier]

Oh my, I’m reading this morning the armed officer at the school was at the scene within a minute or so but dropped his @rse. He stayed outside while the lad shot all the kids and teachers.

One man with pistol, might hit a man at 30 m v automatic rifle that can hit man at 200 m. Takes a certain type of person to go into the unknown under those conditions and I personally think the chief of police was wrong to make the incident public.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

One man with pistol, might hit a man at 30 m v automatic rifle that can hit man at 200 m. Takes a certain type of person to go into the unknown under those conditions and I personally think the chief of police was wrong to make the incident public.

Definitely smelled a bit, almost giving the chief of police a scapegoat.
Why not finish the investigation first.