harpo_72
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Depends what the championship result would be, could it have been influenced? Also did Ferrari raise this with the FIA ?
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Canary_Yellow
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Imagine how they would have behaved had they lost? Verstsppen went off in a huff on the podium last weekend.
Hamilton was such a class act today, a proper role model on how to behave when facing unimaginable disappointment.
harpo_72
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There was this opportunity, and it would have been out of the box, if Lewis had pitted before he hit the traffic. He had 17 seconds on Max, that would put him 3-4 seconds behind him and having fresh tyres worth 0.8-1sec a lap and a superior engine would have given him the possibility to work the last 7-8 laps or be closed up after the safety car. But Lewis thought his tyres were good and none of his engineers were overtly discussing this.. there comes a time when winning easy makes you indecisive and soft.
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You would hope and expect Verstappen to learn in the same way Hamilton has over the years
What happened today was simply shocking and a disgrace to the sport. Rules went out of the window so the Championship could come down to a one lap shoot out for TV viewers, future sponsorship income and the ego of Masi.
Merc didn't do anything wrong, without the SC they win by miles. Putting new tyres on during the first SC was only an error in hindsight. The second one they had no option but to carry on and trust in the integrity of the officials. Max was done on the start and a poor second best all race. Perez showed more quality holding off Hamilton than Max did all day. The least deserving champion in recent memory. A bad loser and a bad winner. The low point was seeing his wife beating father celebrating even though he had turned his back and vanished for most of the race when it looked like Max wouldn't win. He then emerged with a Champion t-shirt on at the end....what a parasite
Regardless of all the antics etc Verstappen still won 10 GPS , 18 times on the podium - that’s pretty impressive when not in the quickest car
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Lewis had absolutely no need to pit for new tyres and give up track position. Max wasn’t catching Lewis even with fresher tyres.
Why would Mercedes risk putting Lewis into a position where he needed to pass Max?
Canary_Yellow
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He was in the quickest car for the majority of the season I think. Merc really hooked it up from Brazil onwards. I agree max is a worthy champ, he had some bad luck earlier in the season, I’ve no beef with him today at all.
I don’t see any sign of Verstappen learning, he’s in his 7th season, he’s hardly a rookie. But perhaps he’ll settle down from now as he basically has nothing to prove. He’s a world champion, he can stop driving like the world is out to get him now. Doubt he will though!
Beedee
Assistant Pro
I wonder if things would have worked out differently if Masi hadn't gifted Max the win at Spa. And let's be honest, that one REALLY was a gift.
I know the points wouldn't have made the difference, but Max being behind in the championship at various times during the year, and not having the safety cushion of taking them both out and still win, might have applied the pressure.
Oh well. Masi did, and Max made the most of what happened today. I don't like Max or RB, but I can't criticise Max for what happened today.
I know the points wouldn't have made the difference, but Max being behind in the championship at various times during the year, and not having the safety cushion of taking them both out and still win, might have applied the pressure.
Oh well. Masi did, and Max made the most of what happened today. I don't like Max or RB, but I can't criticise Max for what happened today.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Hmmm…just goes to further remind me why I gave up on F1.
Foxholer
Blackballed
As it turned out....He had 4 (rubber) reasons to.
Each of the Mercedes decisions was valid, but overall - with the SC - it turned out badly for them!
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Deleted member 29109
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But Redbull would still have had the option to pit Max under the SC for fresh softs. Mercedes could not pit Lewis under the SC unless he would have still been behind Max when the SC came out.
There is no way the car leading give up track position with so few laps remaining.
harpo_72
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That’s what they thought as well, and at that time they asked Lewis could he keep 0.8 sec per lap till the end and he said that was a tough ask.. but was prepared, but he could have sealed it with a stop.
His car was faster and the risk was minimal.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Mercedes can't make a decision based on the knowledge the race director will make a decision that goes against FIA guidelines and a decision that has never been made before. In the period of time Mercedes had to decide whether or not to pit Lewis, that could well have meant Lewis finished behind Max during the safety car.
Imagine that had happened, and imagine what Christian Horner would be radioing to race control. Masi is quite possibly the weakest minded individual in the history of motorsport, manipulated into making an absolutely bizarre decision.
I saw the full footage in Mercedes garage from the moment lapped cars were kept through, to conclusion of race. Absolute shock and despair in the garage, Wolff was just gobsmacked. That is not sport. That is a Xmas cliffhanger in Eastenders
Cherry13
Head Pro
Not sure what the reference to crate of
Red bull is, I haven’t seen anything regarding latifi, and if it’s on twatter I don’t have it so won’t see it.
Regarding your first point, I hope not. I think that was just a smoke screen and distraction when they knew Max should have been more street smart.
Red bull has been the faster car for much of the season and they’ve done an incredible job, they deserve a lot of credit. Ultimately Masi is the one who has ballsed this up.
Cherry13
Head Pro
Merc didn’t want Lewis to have to go anywhere near max, if Lewis was behind in second after the start the plan would have been to go for the overcut. It would have been an absolute last resort that Lewis went for a pass on the track, and they didn’t need to risk it.
Foxholer
Blackballed
True enough - as I suggested. But, as I also stated, each decision was logical but it turned out badly for them! Pitting Max would have been illogical/daft - simply throwing away time!
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Max wouldn’t have benefited by taking Lewis out .. he has been cast as the bad guy, decision would be in Lewis’ favour
Piece
Tour Winner
That was a fantastic F1 season. Either Max or Lewis were a deserving champion. It was Max's day as the SC miracle happened that Horner was praying for.
Lots of great and controversial moments. Two things I've picked up from this season:
1. Max has helped to redefine what is acceptable overtaking, whether you agree with it or not.
2. The race control needs overhauling. Too much inconsistency and influenced by teams chirping on the radio.
It's got be a fair and level playing field for all. This last race showed that it isn't at the moment.
The last few pages have given me a giggle; those who really understand and those that think they understand.
Lots of great and controversial moments. Two things I've picked up from this season:
1. Max has helped to redefine what is acceptable overtaking, whether you agree with it or not.
2. The race control needs overhauling. Too much inconsistency and influenced by teams chirping on the radio.
It's got be a fair and level playing field for all. This last race showed that it isn't at the moment.
The last few pages have given me a giggle; those who really understand and those that think they understand.
SaintHacker
Journeyman Pro
Yet you still feel the need to come on a thread about it and comment??
Cherry13
Head Pro
But would you risk that with Masi’ form and past decisions?
Foxholer
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The 'decision/decisions' (by Mercedes) was/were not made with any 'knowledge' of subsequent events, nor of Masi's decisions.
Re-read the post you quoted!!
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