F1 2021

[Canary_Yellow]

It does make sense Max just did what Lewis didn’t and that was the strategy.. so if they had done the changes in the 2 safety cars they could have been in better shape .. think about it instead of just whining on like a broken record.
Besides next year will be interesting when Russell challenges ..

As if any team is going to give up track position as their first choice strategy in Abu Dhabi….. that’s daft.

Red bulls decision making was hardly inspired, it was simply do the opposite of Lewis as they have nothing to lose.

 

[Swango1980]

Mercedes launch second appeal

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Mercedes launch second appeal

I think they are wasting their time.

 

[harpo_72]

As if any team is going to give up track position as their first choice strategy in Abu Dhabi….. that’s daft.

Red bulls decision making was hardly inspired, it was simply do the opposite of Lewis as they have nothing to lose.

Correct the final decision was made for Mercedes, they did not make any effort to change their predicament. They could have pitted in that sc period - would have lost track position but he just had to be in contention with Verstappen.
The previous stopping opportunity they should have made it, they had an advantage and could have had some chance to defend. However Lewis was a lame duck, worn tyres don’t warm up and pressures would have been low … car would have been a pig. Lewis was asked and he gave the team a vague direction, he then complained when it was looking tight.. he did a good job by keeping a good lap time but even he said I cannot keep this pace up. Mercedes could have lost the lead or the time gap if he had pitted but they chose to stay and hang on.

 

[Golfnut1957]

I have invested quite a bit of time and no little emotion (isn't that what sport is about?) in this F1 season and to see it end like that is just wrong.

If Max or Lewis had won on the track it would have been conclusive, even if it had been Max pushing Hamilton off the track the outcome would have been down to what happened on the track.

What Massi did there, making up rules as he went along, leaves me feeling shafted. All that time invested in these events only for the race director to be the most significant factor is just plain wrong.

I'm sure that he did it with the best of intentions, wanting a racing finish instead of a safety car finish, but he could have had that if he had brought the safety car in without unlapping those cars, thus allowing Verstapen to race through them, catch Lewis and pass him, imagine the crowning glory of that. Instead, Max gets a question mark, thanks Massi.

I hope Mercedes pursue their appeal. I hope Massi resigns in shame as a consequence, and I hope Max gets to keep his championship, anything else would just make this whole artificial ending even more artificial.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Correct the final decision was made for Mercedes, they did not make any effort to change their predicament. They could have pitted in that sc period - would have lost track position but he just had to be in contention with Verstappen.
The previous stopping opportunity they should have made it, they had an advantage and could have had some chance to defend. However Lewis was a lame duck, worn tyres don’t warm up and pressures would have been low … car would have been a pig. Lewis was asked and he gave the team a vague direction, he then complained when it was looking tight.. he did a good job by keeping a good lap time but even he said I cannot keep this pace up. Mercedes could have lost the lead or the time gap if he had pitted but they chose to stay and hang on.

You could have just left it at correct. There’s nothing else to say, no team is going to give up track position willingly in Abu Dhabi voluntarily.

 

[Cherry13]

I think give it up now, max has won. He’s deserved it, as much as Lewis, but it does leave a bitter taste.
I know they won’t, but I’d like Horner and red bull to show a modicum of humility.
What a shame for a great season to end like this.
Suspect Merc drag this on and end up looking like sore losers, be interesting to see what the compromise is in the end. I suspect it might end up being a job loss for Masi.

 

[Beedee]

I wouldn't criticise Merc's strategy. I was surprised that they didn't pit at the VSC but I think it was the right decision in the end. All things being equal Hamilton would have won confomtably. At the SC they would have given up track position and if all procedures had been followed as they usually are, there would have been no racing laps left.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

I think give it up now, max has won. He’s deserved it, as much as Lewis, but it does leave a bitter taste.
I know they won’t, but I’d like Horner and red bull to show a modicum of humility.
What a shame for a great season to end like this.
Suspect Merc drag this on and end up looking like sore losers, be interesting to see what the compromise is in the end. I suspect it might end up being a job loss for Masi.

I agree with everything you say, but can’t see Masi going. He’s just delivering what his bosses are asking for, at the cost of sporting integrity. As far as Liberty are concerned, this has been a massive success and it’s been delivered by Masi.

 

[Hobbit]

I think give it up now, max has won. He’s deserved it, as much as Lewis, but it does leave a bitter taste.
I know they won’t, but I’d like Horner and red bull to show a modicum of humility.
What a shame for a great season to end like this.
Suspect Merc drag this on and end up looking like sore losers, be interesting to see what the compromise is in the end. I suspect it might end up being a job loss for Masi.

But will Masi be shown the door? To do is an admission he got it wrong AND that Hamilton should have been judged as winner on appeal. I expect nothing to change.

 

[harpo_72]

You could have just left it at correct. There’s nothing else to say, no team is going to give up track position willingly in Abu Dhabi voluntarily.

Nah Abu Dhabi is not a hard place to overtake .. it isn’t Imola, Suzuka, or Monaco .. it’s like all the modern circuits they have clear overtaking points and opportunities.
Just give it up, Redbull tried everything and then the Mercedes powered Williams caused a safety car.
From there on out the decision had to be to finish the race racing not behind the safety car .. keeping the back markers in there would have been unfair (or they would have been asked to keep out the way) ..

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Nah Abu Dhabi is not a hard place to overtake .. it isn’t Imola, Suzuka, or Monaco .. it’s like all the modern circuits they have clear overtaking points and opportunities.
Just give it up, Redbull tried everything and then the Mercedes powered Williams caused a safety car.
From there on out the decision had to be to finish the race racing not behind the safety car .. keeping the back markers in there would have been unfair (or they would have been asked to keep out the way) ..

Ah, I see, you’re a troll. Ignore list it is.

I’m all for constructive discussion, but you’re not delivering any on this topic, or any other as far as I can see.

 

[fundy]

Genuine question for those saying or implying F1 is corrupt, which sports do you think arent?

 

[theoneandonly]

Genuine question for those saying or implying F1 is corrupt, which sports do you think arent?

Are you saying because other sport are corrupt that this is ok? I don't see the relevance of your question.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Nah Abu Dhabi is not a hard place to overtake .. it isn’t Imola, Suzuka, or Monaco .. it’s like all the modern circuits they have clear overtaking points and opportunities.
Just give it up, Redbull tried everything and then the Mercedes powered Williams caused a safety car.
From there on out the decision had to be to finish the race racing not behind the safety car .. keeping the back markers in there would have been unfair (or they would have been asked to keep out the way) ..

Was it fair to Carlos in the Ferrari to keep the lapped car between him and Max?

 

[Jason.H]

What difference would changing tyres have made? They would have given up track position and lost anyway.

If Lewis came in he would of been on new softs and Max would of stayed out on old tyres. Reverse scenario. Although there’s no saying the race would of finished the same way. The FIA make it up as they go along tbh.

 

[harpo_72]

Ah, I see, you’re a troll. Ignore list it is.

I’m all for constructive discussion, but you’re not delivering any on this topic, or any other as far as I can see.[/QUOTE

Bit judgemental there … put me on ignore please , and please don’t even contribute to my threads

 

[4LEX]

What happened today was simply shocking and a disgrace to the sport. Rules went out of the window so the Championship could come down to a one lap shoot out for TV viewers, future sponsorship income and the ego of Masi.

Merc didn't do anything wrong, without the SC they win by miles. Putting new tyres on during the first SC was only an error in hindsight. The second one they had no option but to carry on and trust in the integrity of the officials. Max was done on the start and a poor second best all race. Perez showed more quality holding off Hamilton than Max did all day. The least deserving champion in recent memory. A bad loser and a bad winner. The low point was seeing his wife beating father celebrating even though he had turned his back and vanished for most of the race when it looked like Max wouldn't win. He then emerged with a Champion t-shirt on at the end....what a parasite

 

[Canary_Yellow]

If Lewis came in he would of been on new softs and Max would of stayed out on old tyres. Reverse scenario. Although there’s no saying the race would of finished the same way. The FIA make it up as they go along tbh.

Given the race should have finished under safety car, or with lapped cars in place, Hamilton would have lost anyway. Merc can’t base their strategy on the assumption that the race director will make up his own rules.

Hamilton couldn’t have really driven any better, I doubt merc would change any strategy decisions, the FIAs determination to inject entertainment / drama has been at the cost of sporting integrity for me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think give it up now, max has won. He’s deserved it, as much as Lewis, but it does leave a bitter taste.
I know they won’t, but I’d like Horner and red bull to show a modicum of humility.
What a shame for a great season to end like this.
Suspect Merc drag this on and end up looking like sore losers, be interesting to see what the compromise is in the end. I suspect it might end up being a job loss for Masi.

Do you think a lot of that comes back to the Silverstone celebrations ? And there appears an undercurrent of spitefulness between - the whole “crate of Red Bull” to Latifi just childish