Envy or jealousy ?

Nothing whatsoever to do with this thread but perhaps it may bring some perspective back. This was posted on twitter today.

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Don Barzini said:
Out of interest, how did "us lot" treat him after the missed pen? :confused:

I certainly don't remember him coming in for much backlash and vitriol. He got a gig doing a Pizza Hut advert on the back of it as well.
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I remember....he was treated very badly by the media and fans.
Same as he was when his appointment as England manager was announced.

Some folk have short/selective memories.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I remember....he was treated very badly by the media and fans.
Same as he was when his appointment as England manager was announced.

Some folk have short/selective memories.
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Unlike some of you who remember battles from hundreds and hundreds of years ago :rofl:
 
tugglesf239 said:
I think I put enough winks and smileys in my post to Indicate that there was some friendly ribbing going on pal.
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Yeah I didn't take any offence to your post whatsoever. I was simply asking a genuine question about how (you think) he was treated, since you mentioned it.

I genuinely don't think Southgate suffered a terrible backlash. (Unlike Beckham after WC '98, for example).
 
MegaSteve said:
Enough for me not to feel it necessary to tar an entire group of folk on the back of hugely typical media reporting...
They've never [or very rarely], in my memory, sought out or reported on the positives...
It just doesn't fit with their curriculum...
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Listen I've followed Liverpool all over Europe on more than 30 occasions.

I've seen bizzies instigate trouble for no reason at all.

Ive also seen Liverpool fans start and cause trouble with no excuses needed.

In the 80's there were hundreds, and possibly even more who would cause or get sucked into trouble. These days it is a small minority, but back then it was a very sizeable minority. I'm not trying to dress it up.

Admittedly most of what I know of England's trouble was via seeing the news, or knowing the odd person who went or have spoke to since.

No doubt, some of it may have been caused by the locals, bizzies, but you know what I'm still sure that most of it was caused by England fans hell-bent on trouble - unless you have personal experience that 80% of the time it was others........

So what do you know? I can only presume you were there on many occasions, your quite naive, or always feel that they were being picked on, or tell me what you do know.

Am I talking ALL England fans - The armchair fans, the ones who only went to home games - no, but I am talking the ones who went to terrorise Europe.

Dublin, Marseille, Belgium, and many, many, many more.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Listen I've followed Liverpool all over Europe on more than 30 occasions.

I've seen bizzies instigate trouble for no reason at all.

Ive also seen Liverpool fans start and cause trouble with no excuses needed.

In the 80's there were hundreds, and possibly even more who would cause or get sucked into trouble. These days it is a small minority, but back then it was a very sizeable minority. I'm not trying to dress it up.

Admittedly most of what I know of England's trouble was via seeing the news, or knowing the odd person who went or have spoke to since.

No doubt, some of it may have been caused by the locals, bizzies, but you know what I'm still sure that most of it was caused by England fans hell-bent on trouble - unless you have personal experience that 80% of the time it was others........

So what do you know? I can only presume you were there on many occasions, your quite naive, or always feel that they were being picked on, or tell me what you do know.

Am I talking ALL England fans - The armchair fans, the ones who only went to home games - no, but I am talking the ones who went to terrorise Europe.

Dublin, Marseille, Belgium, and many, many, many more.
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My own experiences of being on 'England duty' are relatively limited... Mostly attending just down the road [I live 20mins from Wembley]… I do my drinking local and time my arrival, at the match, for as late as possible... Thereby usually missing any agg outside the ground [if any]... In the good [bad] old days did do the home internationals [though I don't count that as going abroad] and it could/did often kick off... But I am going fifty/fifty on that as it generally takes two to tango...

Now my dear old FinL did quite a bit/lot of 'England duty' and he and his muckers were the furthest you could get from describing as hooli's… None of them ever wore team shirts so's not to attract attention and often travelled with official groups... About the only scrape I can recollect him admitting getting into was getting ambushed by local plod in Holland [might of been Belgium] when he was with a largish group in the town square... It was early and they were lunching rather than drinking but plod still saw fit to wade in... He did, on return to blighty, try and sort out some recompense or an apology but got stonewalled... Semi official line being it goes with the territory of being a footie fan...


There were times, I think, he was ashamed of his fellow supporters but felt they were, in general, no worse/better than fans of other national teams...


Gosh that's more than I've written, in one go on here ever I think...
 
My one and only experience of travelling abroad to watch England was terrifying. Euros 1988 in Germany. We were rubbish! Anyhow, my boyfriend and I were new to the "scene" and quite quickly a lovely bunch of lads from Bolton looked after us. Didn't see much trouble until after the final group game. Rumour had it that the locals were out for a scrap as a number of England fans had gone home in abject misery. After the game we ran a gauntlet trying to get back to our campsite. Two of the Bolton lads suddenly said "cross with us now" and the four of us broke from the bigger group which saved us a battering. Every street corner had lads with baseball bats looking for any willing victim that was English. I'd been shopping that day (retail therapy!) and bought some shorts and a t-shirt as was advised not to wear an England shirt. The group we were with kept saying "flipping heck girl you look like a Kraut!" and I guess I did as the four of us managed to get back to the campsite unscathed. The others finally arrived in dribs and drabs and a few had been attacked. The rumour was they were going to target the campsites so we stayed awake with the tent hook hammer close by.

We came home the next day despite having 4 semi-final and 2 final tickets.

I think we have our share of shameless yobs but would argue that many other nations have the same share. The fans we met and especially those that looked after us were some of the nicest people I've ever met - sadly they don't get any media attention!
 
MegaSteve said:
My own experiences of being on 'England duty' are relatively limited... Mostly attending just down the road [I live 20mins from Wembley]… I do my drinking local and time my arrival, at the match, for as late as possible... Thereby usually missing any agg outside the ground [if any]... In the good [bad] old days did do the home internationals [though I don't count that as going abroad] and it could/did often kick off... But I am going fifty/fifty on that as it generally takes two to tango...

Now my dear old FinL did quite a bit/lot of 'England duty' and he and his muckers were the furthest you could get from describing as hooli's… None of them ever wore team shirts so's not to attract attention and often travelled with official groups... About the only scrape I can recollect him admitting getting into was getting ambushed by local plod in Holland [might of been Belgium] when he was with a largish group in the town square... It was early and they were lunching rather than drinking but plod still saw fit to wade in... He did, on return to blighty, try and sort out some recompense or an apology but got stonewalled... Semi official line being it goes with the territory of being a footie fan...


There were times, I think, he was ashamed of his fellow supporters but felt they were, in general, no worse/better than fans of other national teams...


Gosh that's more than I've written, in one go on here ever I think...
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AmandaJR said:
My one and only experience of travelling abroad to watch England was terrifying. Euros 1988 in Germany. We were rubbish! Anyhow, my boyfriend and I were new to the "scene" and quite quickly a lovely bunch of lads from Bolton looked after us. Didn't see much trouble until after the final group game. Rumour had it that the locals were out for a scrap as a number of England fans had gone home in abject misery. After the game we ran a gauntlet trying to get back to our campsite. Two of the Bolton lads suddenly said "cross with us now" and the four of us broke from the bigger group which saved us a battering. Every street corner had lads with baseball bats looking for any willing victim that was English. I'd been shopping that day (retail therapy!) and bought some shorts and a t-shirt as was advised not to wear an England shirt. The group we were with kept saying "flipping heck girl you look like a Kraut!" and I guess I did as the four of us managed to get back to the campsite unscathed. The others finally arrived in dribs and drabs and a few had been attacked. The rumour was they were going to target the campsites so we stayed awake with the tent hook hammer close by.

We came home the next day despite having 4 semi-final and 2 final tickets.

I think we have our share of shameless yobs but would argue that many other nations have the same share. The fans we met and especially those that looked after us were some of the nicest people I've ever met - sadly they don't get any media attention!
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As football fan, I would never say all, but I still reckon England had thousands of loons following them back then.

No doubt, it wasnt always England that started every incident, but you have to look at the historical perspective of it. Generally, England (and English clubs) were the first ones to mob up and had it most of their own way throughout the 70's as most Europeans hadnt mobbed up in an organised mass, and they didnt travel in the large numbers that English and Scottish club and int'l teams had. Taking on the English mobs was a badge of honour for them, and in some ways what the Russians did in France was the chickens coming home to roost.

There is a reason its called the English disease, and its because we generally had free reign for years until the mid to late 80's when the Dutch, German and Italians started to rival us and also become more organised. It can be a myth that hooligans only target other mobs, so genuinely feel for all others who get caught up in it.

No matter, England fans were a scourge and an embarassment in general for many years. I went to 5-6 Euro 96 games, and of them 2-3 were England games were at Wembley and I really enjoyed them. Would I follow England away though - not for me.
 
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