Election 2015. Has anyone not made up there mind yet?

[c1973]

The freedom to not vote - or to spoil the paper if forced to - is just as important imo!

As for 'giving your vote to 'the' Party you don't support.... Why should you (be forced to) give your vote to a Party you don't support!

Agreed.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry but just because I don't vote doesn't stop me having the right to an opinion

As I said earlier - I can't complain about who wins but I can certainly complain about the choices they make

Again it's the right to have a voice in all matters.

Seems strange to praise freedom then demand the opposite from some ?

So you want the right to vote and then the right not to use it, pretty pointless,
Almost like the "Life of Brian" sketch were they voted on a mans right to have a baby.
(Also edited your can't to a can for you so it makes sense)

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The freedom to not vote - or to spoil the paper if forced to - is just as important imo!

As for 'giving your vote to 'the' Party you don't support.... Why should you (be forced to) give your vote to a Party you don't support!

Let's say you live in a safe Green Party seat, you support whoever else, but, because you think your vote is pointless the Green Party majority increases by one, therefore by default your decision not to vote has helped them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So you want the right to vote and then the right not to use it, pretty pointless,
Almost like the "Life of Brian" sketch were they voted on a mans right to have a baby.
(Also edited your can't to a can for you so it makes sense)

Actually I want the right to be able to chose - that's the freedom we have

Freedom is being have a choice - you want to demand to remain the choice and make everyone do it - that's not choice or freedom

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Actually I want the right to be able to chose - that's the freedom we have

Freedom is being have a choice - you want to demand to remain the choice and make everyone do it - that's not choice or freedom

We have fought internally and externally as a nation for years for democracy, You served in Afghan were British personnel ensured locals could vote.
Having the right to vote should be treasured and in my opinion exercised, hence my point about the "none of the above" box.
Sitting and doing nothing then complaining about it is just wrong IMO

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We have fought internally and externally as a nation for years for democracy, You served in Afghan were British personnel ensured locals could vote.
Having the right to vote should be treasured and in my opinion exercised, hence my point about the "none of the above" box.
Sitting and doing nothing then complaining about it is just wrong IMO

Again - I fought for people to have freedom not being forced into doing something they don't believe they should do

You cant crow about freedom they say everyone "must" - that's not freedom

We all have a "choice" and we all have a "voice" and we all have the right and freedom to exercise both.

My choice is to not vote for anyone I don't respect or trust and my voice allows me to show my opinion

I won't complain about who gets voted in the seat where I live but I'll certainly have an opinion on any choices they make - because that's my right

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Again - I fought for people to have freedom not being forced into doing something they don't believe they should do

You cant crow about freedom they say everyone "must" - that's not freedom

We all have a "choice" and we all have a "voice" and we all have the right and freedom to exercise both.

My choice is to not vote for anyone I don't respect or trust and my voice allows me to show my opinion

I won't complain about who gets voted in the seat where I live but I'll certainly have an opinion on any choices they make - because that's my right

Or your well thought out reasoning could be seen as just another someone who can't be bothered?

 

[Foxholer]

Let's say you live in a safe Green Party seat, you support whoever else, but, because you think your vote is pointless the Green Party majority increases by one, therefore by default your decision not to vote has helped them.

In which you don't care!

If you really cared that the most likely party to get in shouldn't get in, you might vote - for the party you believe is next most likely to get in!

But it's all purely hypothetical - and pretty unreal! Very few of us - and I'm certainly not one - have any real effect on who actually gets in! It's merely a case of the size of the majority!

You still haven't grasped the concept of 'freedom' either! It includes the freedom to not do something - or to at least indicate your dis-satisfaction with the options provided! On this concept, LPP and I in absolute agreement!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Or your well thought out reasoning could be seen as just another someone who can't be bothered?

And you can have that right to judge me if you so wish. You would be wrong - very wrong

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

More of the 'its all about me' society - if I don't get what (the mp) I want; if I don't make a difference to the outcome; if none of them are saying they'll do what I want - then I'm not doing it. Sad reflection on theckind of selfish society we live in these days.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

In which you don't care!

If you really cared that the most likely party to get in shouldn't get in, you might vote - for the party you believe is next most likely to get in!

But it's all purely hypothetical - and pretty unreal! Very few of us - and I'm certainly not one - have any real effect on who actually gets in! It's merely a case of the size of the majority!

You still haven't grasped the concept of 'freedom' either! It includes the freedom to not do something - or to at least indicate your dis-satisfaction with the options provided! On this concept, LPP and I in absolute agreement!

No, you vote for the party you support, irrespective of whether they'll win the local seat.
The freedom to do nothing comes with consequences, if you don't stand up for what you believe in ( and elections are the only time you get to have your say) then you don't deserve an opinion, You can't be bothered to take 5 mins or an hour out of one day every 5 years!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And you can have that right to judge me if you so wish. You would be wrong - very wrong

So if they declare 60% or whatever turnout at the election, I'll think the other 40% who didn't care and can now not complain about whatever Government we get, I'll remember it's 40% minus Phil,

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No, you vote for the party you support, irrespective of whether they'll win the local seat.
The freedom to do nothing comes with consequences, if you don't stand up for what you believe in ( and elections are the only time you get to have your say) then you don't deserve an opinion, You can't be bothered to take 5 mins or an hour out of one day every 5 years!

Agree 100%. An awful lot of folk not voting seem to want to make us believe that they are taking the moral high ground in not voting. Not for me. They just make a noise that reflects rather too much of their own sense of self-importance. My importance in voting is simply as one of the electorate - saying yes - an election is important to me so you lot in Westminster bear in mind that I have voted - I care - I will be watching

 

[Deleted member 15344]

More of the 'its all about me' society - if I don't get what (the mp) I want; if I don't make a difference to the outcome; if none of them are saying they'll do what I want - then I'm not doing it. Sad reflection on theckind of selfish society we live in these days.

When has anyone suggested any of them above and suggest you stop making disparaging remarks towards people who are making a valid desicion with the choice they have

Not once have I said I won't vote because they aren't doubt what I "want"

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So if they declare 60% or whatever turnout at the election, I'll think the other 40% who didn't care and can now not complain about whatever Government we get, I'll remember it's 40% minus Phil,

You obviously don't read what I posted

I'll say it again - when I don't vote I won't have the right to complain about which party wins - but I will have the right to complain about choices that government makes

Peoples idea of freedom and freedom of speech is a bit strange

 

[Foxholer]

No, you vote for the party you support, irrespective of whether they'll win the local seat.
The freedom to do nothing comes with consequences, if you don't stand up for what you believe in ( and elections are the only time you get to have your say) then you don't deserve an opinion, You can't be bothered to take 5 mins or an hour out of one day every 5 years!

Aaargh! Where's my 4-iron! Re-read the last paragraph of the post you quoted!

You may do one thing - that you believe is the right thing to do. But don't try to force others to comply with your will! allow them the freedom to do what they determine is the best thing for them to do! So it's not 'you vote for the party...' so much as 'I vote for the party....'!

It's not a case of 'can't be bothered' either. That's merely your, misguided imo, opinion of what the 'did not vote' eligible voters mean - though there will be plenty that that applies to!

 

[Ethan]

No, you vote for the party you support, irrespective of whether they'll win the local seat.
The freedom to do nothing comes with consequences, if you don't stand up for what you believe in ( and elections are the only time you get to have your say) then you don't deserve an opinion, You can't be bothered to take 5 mins or an hour out of one day every 5 years!

I agree everyone should vote, although in truth there are some people I am happy stay at home.

Nothing wrong with tactical voting. If your chosen candidate hasn't a sniff, but you want to keep out someone else, why not vote for the next candidate who has a chance of unseating then one you dislike, assuming, of course, that they are not equally objectionable.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Aaargh! Where's my 4-iron! Re-read the last paragraph of the post you quoted!

You may do one thing - that you believe is the right thing to do. But don't try to force others to comply with your will! allow them the freedom to do what they determine is the best thing for them to do! So it's not 'you vote for the party...' so much as 'I vote for the party....'!

It's not a case of 'can't be bothered' either. That's merely your, misguided imo, opinion of what the 'did not vote' eligible voters mean - though there will be plenty that that applies to!

Say by not voting your doing what?
Making a statement that no one will hear,

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You obviously don't read what I posted

I'll say it again - when I don't vote I won't have the right to complain about which party wins - but I will have the right to complain about choices that government makes

Peoples idea of freedom and freedom of speech is a bit strange

So you have no complaints with your local MP and therefore are not voting because............

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So you have no complaints with your local MP and therefore are not voting because............

I have stated already why I'm not voting - I'm not sure why you need me to repeat myself ?