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So that’s a reason not to reduce the limit when looking at Alcohol specifically ?
http://www.ias.org.uk/News/2017/02-...-while-still-no-progress-reducing-deaths.aspx
So that’s a reason not to reduce the limit when looking at Alcohol specifically ?
http://www.ias.org.uk/News/2017/02-...-while-still-no-progress-reducing-deaths.aspx
Dellboy
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Leave it as is, just police it better.
Scotland only lowered it as they have a massive problem with drinking up there.
Scotland only lowered it as they have a massive problem with drinking up there.
hovis
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I'm simply saying that alot of emphasis gets put on alcohol limit and zero gets put on people that should no longer be behind the wheel.
you have two types of drink drivers. the ones that get hammered and drive and the ones that are aware they maybe just over the limit so concentrate harder. I'd be willing to bet the person just over the limit and aware of it would be less likely to have an incident than Joe blogs driving to adsa
My MiL is not safe to drive now, hasn't been for 12 months. She won't accept it, my FiL is bottling it. We tell them constantly and I have blocked her taking my kids in the car with her. Nothing we can do legally though. People should be 're-tested at 70 and every 3 years after that.
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Why 70?
hovis
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there was a programme on not long ago about the elderly taking voluntary "assessments" it was quite shocking to see how they drive and their refusal to accept they where a liability
Old Skier
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I suppose the line has to be drawn somewhere, personally think 70 these days is a bit low.
Lot of talk of the Scottish method on DD, how does that compensate for body mass and food intake, interested as I didn't realize it was different in Scotland.
lets be honest here its not people slightly over the limit thats the problem its people who happily have way over, its an education thing. Look at mobile phones use while driving, illegal with a hefty penalty, yet you see people on a daily basis using them while driving.
theirs a few old guys at my club who drink heavily and get in the car after , ironically some of them live 2 min walk away. Someone had tipped the Police off as a couple of weeks ago they were waiting outside the gates to the club and stopping cars coming out.
theirs a few old guys at my club who drink heavily and get in the car after , ironically some of them live 2 min walk away. Someone had tipped the Police off as a couple of weeks ago they were waiting outside the gates to the club and stopping cars coming out.
Doon frae Troon
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I’ve no issue with retests, my dad drove until his mid 80’s and was shocking, he denied it no matter how much we spoke to him about it, fair enough he never had an accident, but I wonder if he caused some.
Like you say 70 maybe low, but there has to be a line, wondered if Lord T based it on something.
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Is that a % of population and from when we had the same limit?
jim8flog
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The trouble with a zero limit is that it is fairly easy to get alcohol in to one's system without actually taking it as a drink eg in some medicines.
It is a bit like having a zero drugs policy and the guy who lost his job after a drug test. The drug was in his system because he regularly ate seeded bread which contained poppy seeds.
It is a bit like having a zero drugs policy and the guy who lost his job after a drug test. The drug was in his system because he regularly ate seeded bread which contained poppy seeds.
There wouldn't need to be an age limit if doctors were allowed to report medical issues direct to the DVLC if driving is an issue, telling a patient they shouldn't drive isn't enough and won't be accepted by the elderly and those in denial!
Doon frae Troon
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% of population does not apply, figures are number of convictions.
2015 figures, first year of new figures.......stating 14% drop.
So like for like must still have been marginally less in 2014 in Scotland
Not the 'massive' as poster stated.
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Good to see the figures drop, but the rest is guesswork, surely % matters, how many breath tests were carried out, Scotland could of had a massive clampdown or eased off due to new limit.
It needs to be a level playing field or the numbers tell you nothing.
Imurg
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Is the person 1% below the limit really much safer than the person 1% over?
Although being over the limit obviously isn't good, if you're just over it you're very marginally more dangerous than someone marginally under it.
The serial offenders 2-3-4 times over are the dangerous ones and no reduction in the limit is going to have an effect on them..
And, although over the limit, a serial drinker who is just over could be safer than an occasional drinker just under as the Wino may have built up a "resistance" to the effects.
Add into that then fact that you've actually got to try quite hard to get caught as there's simply not enough Police patrols to catch offenders
C&P from the Bar Levy thread....
I think going after Drug Drivers is becoming more necessary than dropping the drink limit.
I follow the local police on twitter and 3-4 times a week they post that they've stopped someone with drugs in their system...
Although being over the limit obviously isn't good, if you're just over it you're very marginally more dangerous than someone marginally under it.
The serial offenders 2-3-4 times over are the dangerous ones and no reduction in the limit is going to have an effect on them..
And, although over the limit, a serial drinker who is just over could be safer than an occasional drinker just under as the Wino may have built up a "resistance" to the effects.
Add into that then fact that you've actually got to try quite hard to get caught as there's simply not enough Police patrols to catch offenders
C&P from the Bar Levy thread....
I think going after Drug Drivers is becoming more necessary than dropping the drink limit.
I follow the local police on twitter and 3-4 times a week they post that they've stopped someone with drugs in their system...
Tashyboy
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This,👍. there was a guy at work who failed a random drug test. He dosent drink and certainly doesn't do drugs. Not only did he fail it he had to let the fire service know. He was retained. They were fantastic, it was them who picked up on his seeded bread drug addiction. All was well in the end.
Re alcohol drink or drive. It should be one or the other. Problem is now is that it is the " culture " of some Eastern Europeans to drink and drive.
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Seen since the limit was reduced in Scotland there have been a reduction in deaths on the road - the level been reduced in Sweden also resulted in a reduction in the level of deaths on the road and drink driving incidents
Yes there are other areas to look at including speed and the old age drivers and people on drugs ( same level required - lowest possible )
So far a number have voted no but not seen any reasons why we shouldn’t reduce the level that outweigh the possibility of saving a life ?
Yes there are other areas to look at including speed and the old age drivers and people on drugs ( same level required - lowest possible )
So far a number have voted no but not seen any reasons why we shouldn’t reduce the level that outweigh the possibility of saving a life ?
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I voted No because simply lowering it isn’t enough on it’s own, it doesn’t target the serial offenders.
Using Scotland as the example, there is an increase in the amount of people getting done the next day when they thought they were ok.
Countries in Europe who have the lower level also introduced incremental penalties, ie. Today 51mg is fine, tomorrow 51mg gets you a 12 month ban and a fine, maybe it’s a lesser fine or ban and accumalative if caught again.
We don’t have enough Police to enforce it.
One other bit is, I believe in Scotland it also led to pub/restaurants going out of business which is also putting more on the dole queue and loss of revenue to the government.
Happy to see it reduced if done sensibly and with measures put in place.
Using Scotland as the example, there is an increase in the amount of people getting done the next day when they thought they were ok.
Countries in Europe who have the lower level also introduced incremental penalties, ie. Today 51mg is fine, tomorrow 51mg gets you a 12 month ban and a fine, maybe it’s a lesser fine or ban and accumalative if caught again.
We don’t have enough Police to enforce it.
One other bit is, I believe in Scotland it also led to pub/restaurants going out of business which is also putting more on the dole queue and loss of revenue to the government.
Happy to see it reduced if done sensibly and with measures put in place.
bigslice
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My neighbour will say in his late 50s. Was at his partners house for dinner 5 streets away. Had his car with him and swears he had 2 glasses if wine. Drove home about 2 am. Got stopped and done lost his license. Only stopped him cos it was a big flash dear car incase it had been stolen. That for me made me think about the 1 or two drinks i may have. Never again